She insulted my manhood article from the Guardian

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In a country where anti-gay violence is often excused as unjust provocation, a fatal shooting has raised fresh fears

www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/aug/16/she-insulted-my-manhood-turkey-faces-fresh-scrutiny-lgbt-rights

This is part of women's rights and gender equality.

It's got nothing whatsoever to do with same sex or bi sexuality.

It is all about the murder of a young trans woman in Morocco.

What is should also be about is the danger of male violence against trans women.

You’re right, this;

www.dailysabah.com/turkey/2018/01/02/violence-against-women-rises-sharply-in-turkey-409-women-killed-in-2017

Is what feminism should be concentrating on.

Homphobic murders in turkey should be discussed and campaigned against, but males killing males is not a feminist issue.

Its male violence.

Women can not fix male violence, all we can do is protect ourselves as best we can.

We do this by having sex segregated spaces for females.

I do feel for the person shot, its horrific. I condemn all violence, or bullying, against anyone, for any reason.

But a womans place is not as a human shield for men scared of other men.

Male on male violence is a social problem. It is not, however, a feminist issue. Quite the contrary, in that feminists reject the demand that we solve all the problems of the world.

Women should be free to engage in all parts of society without fear of violence from men. And I also include children in this as well.

I think it's men who should be segregated into their own space if they persist in continuing the violent harm against 50% of the human population and resolve to do nothing about it.

I know it's contentious, but if the endemic violence against women and children continue then what are the options?

How can we segregate men if we can’t clarify what a man is?

I agree that male on male violence is not and never should be a part of feminism.

Which is why I highlighted that the article comes under the insidious title of 'women's rights'.

Gender equality is a totally different matter altogether now and should not/never be equated with women's rights.

Or even clarify what a woman is.

I think we all know what a man is. My male cat knows the distinction between human males and females (he runs away from males) and his brain is the size of a walnut.

My male cat knows the distinction between human males and females (he runs away from males) and his brain is the size of a walnut.

Why is there no "like" button?

I don't feel the need to separate feminism from the general issues of male violence, toxic masculinity or homophobia because the causes of these three are the same as for female oppression and the solutions are the same. There is such a lot of crossover it's not worth unravelling them. I believe men are homophobic because homosexuality threatens their position of structural power over women. They are taught to enforce heterosexual masculinity which upholds patriarchal oppression. If the boyfriend in thus story did kill the victim then it is likely to be standard male violence against a partner but the anticipated failure to administer justice is caused by homophobia. All part and parcel of the same thing.

Sarah as a feminist I refuse to own male violence.

And neither would I expect you to. I do think it is a feminist issue, however because of its effect on women and girls. And for me as a person (taking my feminist hat off) I carry some responsibility to address it because I have a son.

Over whom I am in a position of power.

Sons tend to grow up and become teenagers, go out into the world, engage in relationships and have their own life.

I should know I have a son. I let him lead his own life. He's still a teenager and on the cusp of independence so still dependent on me.

He's of the belief that men should change their attitudes and that it shouldn't be women who have to do it because women do not have an equal say in the running of democracy and society.

He also acknowledges that almost always it is up to women to make changes. He salutes all those brave women who do this.

Well done placemats. sounds like you've done a great job.