Spiked: trans vs free speech

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Has this been shared yet?

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-activists-have-declared-war-on-free-speech/21736#.W4EPOuPTXYU

feefleur women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support

I could not agree more wholeheartedly and will continue to work with women for the support of other women. I think the area I’m most active in at the moment is the erosion of women’s rights and safety to provide additional support for potentially vulnerable males.

No Noqont I have never met these people (huntley etc) and nor would I want to and from what I understand certain people such as Huntley are using this as an excuse for better conditions

With respect, you have no idea whether this is the case. You cannot say that he is not transgender simply because he has committed an awful crime. Being trans is not a badge of being a wonderful person, as you seem to think. There are lovely trans women and there are some not so lovely ones. Theorising about their personalities is unhelpful. The point is that they were all born males, they retain male bodies and, as such, they are very different in nature to natal women and it is inappropriate for the two to share intimate spaces.

Feefluer

Did I say anything controversial in my last post?

Or would you rather make comebacks worthy of a teenager?

Oh, look! Another handmaiden. (And, no, I wasn't referring to you, LadyBirds.)

It's usual the "Budge up, women, and make room for your male overlords" nonsense.

Happy to support trans people, always have, always will. I draw the line when support means giving away all my sex based based rights and protections. I also draw the line at accepting children need medicating so their bodies match their personality. Also draw the line at supporting fetishistic men indulge their fetish. Also draw the line at seeing transsexual identity erased. But I take it your cool with that Feefleur.

Makes you a bit of a misogynist then, why? Don't you like women and girls? Do you think they have too many rights and need some removing?

Pointing out that safeguarding is important by using the example of male (non-trans) sexual predators is not tarring all men with the same brush, although I have no doubt there are MRAs and probably some sexual predators who would claim otherwise.

If transwomen retain a pattern of violence that’s closer to male than female, then why is the same not true in their case?

Transwomen are a vulnerable oppressed minority and women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support.

I keep reading this statement about trans women being vulnerable and oppressed, but those who say it never spell out exactly how trans women are vulnerable and oppressed in a way that women are not.

Transwomen are a vulnerable oppressed minority and women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support.

I can answer that. We all know [insert eye-roll here] that transwomen are the nicest, kindest, sweetest, most oppressed, most vulnerable, gentlest people on the planet who only want a place to urinate safely. They could do so if it weren't for us mean horrible nasty women who deny them this.

Transwidow popping in to eye-roll at feefleur.

20 years experience of this gives me the credibility to say, no lovely, you are wrong this time. The lobby groups have a sweet story, which ignores and minimises the sexual component, the fetishising of gender stereotypes, sexualised crossdressing. You are ignoring the lesbians who don't define themselves as bigots or vagina fetishists. You are minimising the evidence, easy to see of the violent misogyny behind some TRA's message.

Not all Trans are like that, obviously. But some people are. Imagining that the bad'uns don't exist, or are so few to worry about, or definitely wouldn't take advantage of a change in the law, it really astonishingly dim, and won't make the issue disappear.

Pyewackets
Have to say my lovely no one has ever referred to me as a misogynist before.
Pot, kettle by the sound of it

I had a PM from Feefleur which is unlike the hearts and fluffyness on this thread;

Sun 26-Aug-18 17:01:44
You know absolutely nothing about me so don't you dare make assumptions.

Upstart

I see.

A tad aggressive. Have you reported it?

No, I don't feel intimidated. I just thought it was an interesting volte face.

Yes indeed. I'd like an answer to my question from Fleur, and I don't receive PMs

I've never heard of Spiked. The article linked to this fab article

www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/trans-activism-is-now-just-misogyny-in-drag/21578#.W4LRWKTTWEc

You got a PM from Fee?

I feel ignored, but then experts are so 2015. We don't make decisions based upon experience, that's so old school thinking.

So stunning.
Much brave.

Wow.

With respect, you have no idea whether this is the case. You cannot say that he is not transgender simply because he has committed an awful crime. Being trans is not a badge of being a wonderful person, as you seem to think

This. Totally.

You know absolutely nothing about me so don't you dare make assumptions.

And what's with the agressive pm's fee? Coward.

Sun 26-Aug-18 17:01:44 You know absolutely nothing about me so don't you dare make assumptions.
12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

Am I the only one who thinks Fee is typing one handed?

Hah, thebewilderness. I just got it.

Here's hoping it didn't take Fee as long to come to a happy conclusion.

Transwomen are a vulnerable oppressed minority and women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support.

You've managed to extrapolate from the few you've met that all are lovely, sensitive people who mean no harm to anyone.

The experience of most women on this forum is that a lot of people now including themselves within the vast Stonewall 'umbrella' of 'trans' don't share those characteristics and have been abusive and threatening towards women refusing to give them exactly what they want.

You're also doing the selective 'the nasty ones can't be real trans' thing - which isn't your choice, actually.

Finally - many of don't believe (because of biology) that TWAW - so your comment women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support doesn't mean at all that we agree we should shut up and accept a load of penis-holders erasing us, our identity and our safety.

Transwomen are a vulnerable oppressed minority

So you say, Fee. But some of the claims made by transwomen or on their behalf are just not true. In the UK TW are less likely to be murdered than women or other males, for example. I wouldn't deny that they are vulnerable and oppressed but not any more than women, who are at greater risk of DV and the sex pay gap, to name but two aspects of women's oppression.

What very much affects how you deal with being a TW is how much you like being the centre of attention. Trans is definitely extremely fashionable - and very public. If you're a narcissist or an exhibitionist the world's your lobster, as the recent example of Jess Bradley illustrates. Transactivism offers some individuals what looks like an unrivalled opportunity to big yourself up or display your paraphilias to Joe Public while pouring misogyny on women from a great height.

If you're shy and retiring it must be much harder, as very few TW pass so people are bound to clock you. I guess you just keep your head down and go about your business.

"...and women of all backgrounds should work with one another for support.

They should indeed. But transwomen are male and not included in any description of the word "woman", which means "adult human female".

transwomen are male

This bears repeating. And it will be a cold day in Hell before I advocate for or support TRAs.