Mail: trans kids have trans friends

[Charliethefeminist]

So www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-6091581/Teenagers-question-biological-gender-friends-transgender.html this is the Mail version of Lisa Littman's study. Apologies if already posted but I just checked the thread and it's not there.

Piece has a couple of clues that the DM has been All About Transed.

Unobtrusive, low key, hard to find.

Odd headline. Normal DM headline for this kind of thing would be 'is being transgender contagious, trans spreads through friends like wildfire' etc, something over the top, no mind to who was bothered by it.

Accompanied by box note on trans genderism being determined by genes, as if to allay the suggestion of social contagion.

My conclusion: the reporter did a solid honest job with a detailed look at the study, but had to spend a couple of days fighting with All About Transed news editors until they compromised and came up with the addition of the genetic nonsense and weird headline, before burying it miles down on the website.

That's the only reason I started the thread, not for the study, because there are better ones, but to see what you think about the Mail.

Omg not better studies: better threads about the study.

I thought it read pretty well. Not sensationalist. It'd be interesting to see the placement in the print edition; tbh, I don't think the subject particularly interests the average reader - judging by the comments, there's usually a lot of eye-rolling accompanying trans articles in the MSM.

It's hardly rocket science. Trans people like to hang out with other trans people.
Gay people like to hang out with other gay people.
People who like knitting like to hang out with other people who like knitting.
It doesn't meant knitting it being forced upon anybody, or people are being pressured to take up knitting.
We often choose our friends based on their similarity to us.

jasminemaya

People who like knitting like to hang out with other people who like knitting.

And sometimes one person in a group of friends takes up knitting and says how great it is, so the others decide to try it too.

Then they post stuff about knitting online, and find online knitting groups who discuss nothing but knitting.

Then other people see them knitting (online and in real life) and tell them how brave and stunning they are to take up knitting.

Some people are knitterphobic and bully the knitting group. Teachers quite rightly punish the bullies, but are so careful not to show any knitterphobia themselves that they reinforce the view that the knitters are special and deserving of better treatment than non-knitters.

Some of the knitting group decide they're not really very keen on knitting, but they have committed themselves to the knitting group and it's difficult to leave without losing all their friends, not to mention their brave and stunning special status.

jasmine - I have a picture of DD and her two best friends aged 12. Three years later, the other two have come out as trans, as have several others in their wider social group and many, many more they are all in contact with on social media. They all started out by liking certain youtubers, bands and anime, then discovered tumblr and suddenly realised that they were all born in the wrong bodies...

This was not trans kids finding each other for support - it is social contagion.

OldCrone even if that does happen is some rare knitting circles it does not mean knitting is sinister or people who knit should be feared.

People said this about gay people for years, that is was some kind of contagious fad. It really isn't.

The comments on any DM article about trans issues are always overwhelmingly gender critical. The few positive TRA type comments get voted down very quickly. The DM's readers will never accept that TRA's brave new world, and the DM know this.

OldCrone even if that does happen is some rare knitting circles it does not mean knitting is sinister or people who knit should be feared.

Where did I say that? You're reading things into my post that I didn't say. Put your prejudices to one side for a moment and try to think critically and rationally.

Do you understand the meaning of social contagion? Do you care about the well-being of children?

I tried to post a very reasonable comment about impressionable youth and social contagion but they didn't post it. Massive censorship going on.

People said this about gay people for years, that is was some kind of contagious fad. It really isn't.

Being lesbian or gay is nothing like transgenderism. Being attracted to or dating one’s own sex does involve denying reality, it is not based on an ideological belief system, transgender ideology is more akin to a region. As a lesbian it really pisses me off when those who follow the transgender ideology try to make out it is the same as homosexuality in order to make their arguments sound more legitimate.

Excellent analogy, OldCrone.

My dd's friendship group have all 'come out' to each other as AeroAce - no idea how they would spell it. This means that they are asexual and not romantically attracted to anyone. Apparently this also means that they are gay.

(My translation: a group of 13/14yos who haven't yet progressed sufficiently far through puberty to have developed sexual feelings. Perfectly fine and normal, doesn't even warrant a label. Will no doubt change over time.)

Recently dd has come to me distressed that she finds someone attractive, but how can that be right when she's Aero-Ace? How can she be disloyal to her Aero-Ace community? 🤦‍♀️

JellySlice

It's just a new form of 'gang', isn't it? And from the description you gave, the premise for their gang is entirely contradictory and illogical (how can you be asexual but also gay?).

Well of course it's illogical. What's logical about having to label every aspect of your personality according to some spurious sexual orientation or dynamic? They're also trans-allies, god help us, and every single thing to do with that ideology is illogical.

It's just a new form of 'gang', isn't it? And from the description you gave, the premise for their gang is entirely contradictory and illogical (how can you be asexual but also gay?).

I think for many girls it's also a way of avoiding sex that other people will feel obligated to take more seriously than "I just don't want to". They're using the terminology available to them that carries more social weight than their own wishes as girls do, basically.

(Yes, I realize how depressing a thought that is.)

I think for many girls it's also a way of avoiding sex that other people will feel obligated to take more seriously than "I just don't want to". They're using the terminology available to them that carries more social weight than their own wishes as girls do, basically

Oh God. This makes a lot of (really sad & awful) sense.

If I was a teenager girl at the moment I'd be terrified of having sex with all the talk of porn, strangling & anal being banded about . Asexual means you dodge that bullet, can't be branded frigid AND get to be special.

AAK, that makes so much sense.