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Stop Funding Hate fuelling hate?

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Mumfun · 23/08/2018 14:43

Thats my interpretation of this by them:

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/photos/a.320031038334233/737627776574555/?type=3&theater

What they have done is take the Daily Mail, Sarah Vine (Michael Goves other half) and conflated these with anyone who questions people with penises being allowed into kids changing rooms at school without any question.

They take an unquestioning view of Trans ideology and say they are standing together with Trans People. They have allowed people to reference to TERFS with no intervention.

Of course the Daily Mail is vile.

But it is really dangerous to conflate as they have. And especially coming from an organisation called Stop Funding Hate

I wrote to them with a copy of Jonathan Bests article asking them to read it. I also pointed out how lesbians were being targetted and threatened and how their article may contribute to this. I of course have not received any reply.

Views?

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ReluctantCamper · 23/08/2018 14:58

of course the daily mail is vile

Really?

Tell that to Doreen Lawrence

Lefty99 · 23/08/2018 20:33

OP I agree. I used to be a supporter of Stop Funding Hate but the stuff they've put out there about this has made me so angry. There was absolutely nothing hateful in that article and the implication that even suggesting that girls have a point of view or rights worth considering on this issue is somehow hateful/bigoted is just despicable misogyny. I've seen comments on social media and it makes me despair how big the divide is on this issue.

Melamin · 23/08/2018 20:42

Ah yes, the one where they call up a pile-on to pressurise a newspaper's advertisers, because they don't like what was printed.

At least Mary Whitehouse used to write letters and argue her case.

Popchyk · 23/08/2018 20:49

They can't even identify what it is that they object to.

If you object to something, then articulate what it is exactly that you are objecting to.

ReluctantCamper · 23/08/2018 20:52

I'm learning a lot from all this nonsense, and one major things is that it's really important that anyone who isn't actually inciting violence is free to express their opinion.

I don't like the daily mail. when i occasionally glance at it at PILs I find it fucking depressing.

but i'm glad it's there, expressing opinions that don't get aired elsewhere

i used to support stop funding hate isn't it funny how your views change?

honestmushroom · 23/08/2018 21:00

I second that, Reluctant Camper, even if I'm still no fan of Sarah Vine and, like other posters, suspect that she wrote that article for entirely opportunistic reasons.

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Mumfun · 23/08/2018 21:17

They have replied so will ask for permission to publish

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Voice0fReason · 23/08/2018 21:20

What's worrying on that post is the number of people saying that it's ok for transgirls / transwomen to share with girls / women because genitals don't matter.

Popchyk · 23/08/2018 21:30

If genitals don't matter, then the boy/man can get changed with the other boys/men then surely?

If genitals really don't matter.

Italiangreyhound · 23/08/2018 21:53

Feelongs matter. Just not women's and girls' feelings.

BlackberryBramble · 23/08/2018 21:55

Are they related to Hope not Hate?

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Mumfun · 02/10/2018 20:02

Hi Hope not Hate is different

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Mumfun · 02/10/2018 20:06

Been distracted by home stuff.

Updating as I got a reply from Richard the Director of Stop Funding Hate:
Hi MumFun- as a human rights organisation we are against all forms of hate and would absolutely condemn the violence and abuse that is highlighted in the article that you've shared. We would agree that it's vital that issues are discussed in a civil way, grounded in mutual respect. With regard to yesterday's Daily Mail article, Stop Funding Hate has no position on the policy issues raised within the story. Our concern is that this is the latest in a series of negative Daily Mail headlines targeting trans people. Just as it is possible to discuss migration policy without demonising migrants, we think it must also be possible to discuss policy questions which impact on the trans community without demonising trans people as people.

At the moment we're hearing widespread concerns that the targeting of the trans community by elements of the UK media is causing substantial harm. The article that you've shared also highlights that trans people are at significant risk of abuse and violence. There has recently been a surge in reported hate crimes against trans people, with official figures showing an increase of 45% in England and Wales between 2015-16 and 2016-17 (www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41648865). Reportedly around half of all young trans people have attempted suicide (www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jun/27/half-of-trans-pupils-in-the-uk-tried-to-take-their-own-lives-survey-finds).

Stop Funding Hate is opposed to discrimination in all circumstances, but our work has a particular focus on those forms of discrimination that are most prevalent within the UK press.

Overall, we have recently seen some signs of positive change. While many problems remain, there has been a reduction in the number of anti-migrant and anti-Muslim front pages in 2018 compared to the previous two years. However the concern is that the Daily Mail in particular has shifted its attention and actually intensified its negative focus on trans people.

We also know that this is an issue of real concern to many Stop Funding Hate supporters. At a time when trans people are facing increasing vilification and marginalisation which has been fuelled by hostile Daily Mail coverage - and with many feeling increasingly isolated as a result - we think it's important to speak out and show solidarity.

Best regards,

Richard Wilson

Director

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Mumfun · 02/10/2018 20:10

And now they have tweeted this: At 7.30am tomorrow (Wednesday) we'll launch a new video, produced in partnership with @Mermaids_Gender, which seeks to highlight the human impact of hostile & inflammatory media coverage of trans issues #StartSpreadingLove #TogetherAgainstHate

Would love to see them actually standing against all the hate against women that is throughout the whole media

But no they've teamed up with Mermaids.

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RepealtheGRA · 02/10/2018 20:15

I BUY the mail as a direct result of the ‘stop funding hate’ and the virgin ban.

It’s an attack on free speech and they can fuck off.

EverardDigby · 02/10/2018 20:16

Yeah I've just unfriended a dudebro who has posted this on FB along with other un-related feminist bashing (apparently women are not allowed to campaign against stuff because other people are discriminated against too Hmm)

I hate the way this has become polarised and has given assorted blokes the opportunity to pile on and display their misogyny.

Manderleyagain · 02/10/2018 20:19

I came to this whole issue because I'm interested in freedom of speech and worried that it is seriously at risk. Well that is part of the reason I started reading about it.

I already didn't like stop funding hate. It's a weird concept of 'hate' that we have now. Its a verb but is being used as a noun where it should be hatred which is annoying!! The progressive liberal lefty end of politics has abandoned free speech and have left it to be claimed by the right wing and socially conservatives. Even though it is the freedom which underpins all the other freedoms. It's a book burning impulse as far as I can see. Foolish.

This issue is a clear example of why you should defend other people's rights to voice their erroneous opinions. If you allow the state or anyone else to prevent them you could find your own opinion being the target in the future.

Support index on censorship instead of stop funding hate.

ShackUp · 02/10/2018 20:21

I got taken to absolute pieces for expressing GC views on a Stop Funding Hate FB thread - called a TERF and all sorts. I had to block a load of abusive men.

It's one of the reasons I've left FB.

Stop Funding Hate is, ironically, enabling hate.

EverardDigby · 02/10/2018 20:21

Its a verb but is being used as a noun where it should be hatred which is annoying!!

That would be a very Mumsnet protest, to campaign against it on the basis of grammar Grin.

speakingwoman · 02/10/2018 20:22

I shall write and demand the name be changed to Stop Funding Hatred.

speakingwoman · 02/10/2018 20:24

I feel a poster with an OED definition of hatred on it coming on.

bluetitsaretits · 02/10/2018 20:38

I just googled the OED definition out of curiosity :

HATE:
VERB
[WITH OBJECT]
1Feel intense dislike for.

‘the boys hate each other’
‘he was particularly hated by the extreme right’

Funny that the examples use male scenarios, isn't it! Very apt.

bluetitsaretits · 02/10/2018 20:41

HATRED:
NOUN
mass noun
Intense dislike; hate.

‘racial hatred’
‘his murderous hatred of his brother’

Same again! Obviously a male thing.

Manderleyagain · 02/10/2018 22:51

Yes that's interesting. I wonder what proportion of oed examples are male.

Knicknackpaddyflak · 02/10/2018 22:55

I've never particularly noticed fans of mermaids being interested in spreading love.

Threatening rape, murder, doxxing, etc to any female who dares to cross them, yes. Love, no. Not so much. Unless 'love' is another word they've invented a brand new semantic content for and it now means 'shut up and be abused quietly'. #coercivecontrolandgulags