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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

" Stop Being So Strong"...

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busyboysmum · 20/08/2018 13:18

Article in the Guardian about another TW competing against females in a contact sport with clearly no consideration about how the other players feel about it.

"I recall grabbing my opponent by the collar like she had to me and loudly exclaiming that there’s nothing wrong with being strong. I am proud to be a strong woman."

www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/aug/14/trans-footballers-show-strength-to-play-despite-persistent-prejudices

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WhereYouLeftIt · 20/08/2018 13:37

Is there a fifth columnist working at the Graun? That's a story that I think would peaktrans quite a few readers.

busyboysmum · 20/08/2018 13:42

I think they publish these stories to be supportive of the person - they are uncritical in the way they never explore the opposite point of view. How about the women having to compete against such male strength? That is a side that never gets explored for some reason.

Another interesting point to note is that the general public are never allowed to comment on such articles.

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RabbitsAreTasty · 20/08/2018 13:44

Hopefully another outlet will pick up the story and permit comments.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 20/08/2018 13:44

Read that with mouth open, how extraordinarily misogynistic.

"From the day we can talk we are taught that men are stronger than women, a fallacy and a farce in equal measure that many people still consider gospel."

So, this person maintains that there is no overall difference in the strength of men and women. Interesting.

How do they feel about their fellow TWs comment that women have "glass skulls" which makes us infuriatingly likely to be seriously injured or die when men are provoked into attacking us?

How do they account for the difference in all sorts of sports records between men and women? Weightlifting might be a good place to start.

While on an individual basis it is of course true that some women are stronger than some men, to claim that there is NO DIFFERENCE overall between the strength of men and women is so fucking stupid I don't know where to start.

And if our physical strength is the same, why are differences in strength seen? Because women are weak minded, fragile, and live to bat their eyelids at men to get them to help them presumably. OK.

So anyway, There is NO differerence in physical strength between men and women. Got it.

But then "nd the strength I bring to the football field every week isn’t measured by muscles that have atrophied to almost nothing as estrogen alters my body into the shape it was always supposed to be".

Huh?
If there is no difference in the physical strength between men and women, then what does this mean? It makes no sense.

And further, my good person. A weakened man =/= a woman!

How many times have we seen this? It is absolute total support for the idea that MAN = default and woman = lesser, like a man but weaker, less effective.

NO. A woman is not a weak man. A woman is different to a man. The idea that a weakened man is a woman is so extraordinarily misogynistic (and a statement of toxic masculinity) I don't know what to do with it.

They also seem to imply that they play better, stronger, harder than the women on their team, they sustain more injuries, feel more pain, have more resolve and personal dedication etc etc.

They don't LIKE women do they. They don't like their team mates. They see them as weak and lesser.

It's just yuck.

Why no comments on th earticle?

Juells · 20/08/2018 13:53

I am proud to be a strong woman.

Of course you are. And of course, when someone on the opposing team asks you not to be so strong, they're really just using code to be transphobic. Definitely not worrying about being injured by you.

NotTerfNorCis · 20/08/2018 14:02

The truth is, I’m stronger now than I ever have been

Well then you really shouldn't be playing women's sport.

This whole article is a long cry for sympathy, but all my sympathy goes to the female players.

FruitOnAPlatter · 20/08/2018 14:05

It's time to bring out the grip strength graph again isn't it..

grip strength

Almost all men are stronger than almost all women. Men are 1/5th bigger and heavier - no amount of post-pubertal oestrogen is going to knock inches off someone's height, reduce the thickness of their brow, or reduce any of the other permanent changes testosterone makes to a body.

seafret · 20/08/2018 14:21

Prejudice that TW are stronger than women? No. QUANTIFIABLE FACT

...And stop being so male and denying the truth just so you can get what you want. Fucker.

UndercoverGC · 20/08/2018 14:27

Congratulations, they are being treated like a woman.
Stop being strong. Walk like a lady. Men won't like it if you do that. Don't stand that way, it's slovenly. Don't run about exposing your body like that in public.

DuckingGoodPJs · 20/08/2018 20:25

Hannah Mouncey, stats from wikipedia:
Height 190 cm (6 ft 3 in)
Weight 100 kg (220 lb)

Mouncey switched over to handball. Whether football or handball, 100kg running at the average female player would be like being hit by a steam train.

Here is what the many of the football supporters were saying earlier this year

And here is a stunning and brave picture of Mouncey playing handball. Blends in seamlessly, and totally NOT looking like a dude with long hair.

Doobigetta · 20/08/2018 20:33

The Guardian has an open rule of not allowing comments on topics that attract large volumes of comments that aren’t in line with editorial policy. These include women’s issues, trans issues and most articles about immigration and Islam. They introduced it around the time of the New Year’s Eve attacks in Cologne. I think a lot of btl discussions were hijacked by people demanding to know why they weren’t being reported, and the Guardian didn’t fancy responding.

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