‘Normalising’ paedophillia

[Oliphantintheroom]

I read the thread on here a few weeks ago about the woman on twitter who posted a series of tweets about an agenda to normalise paedophillia, I couldn’t find the thread to add these links but fits in perfectly with the tweets!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn4ok_W-7d4

vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/this-tedx-talk-attempts-to-normalize-pedophilia/

I despair of the world we are raising our children in and it makes me so worried for them and their future

I might give some credit to a paedophile that committed themselves to a secure institution for life before they harmed a child.. because of their own recognition that it isn't normal or benign.

But that is about it and I could never trust them one iota.

I don't know what the answer is. I guess pedophiles don't ask to be born that way. But every person has to take responsibility for their actions. This seems like it's skirting too close to becoming another 'kink' that we shouldn't 'shame' people for. I don't like the way that the woke left makes out that we can indulge in whatever sexual behaviour we like without it being a reflection on our character. No, if you enjoy throttling women or urinating on them and can only get off if you do that, that probably says quite a bit about you as a person and you would be wise to examine that carefully and seek help if necessary. I don't buy the whole 'mild mannered, wouldn't hurt a fly, yet gets off on inflicting huge amounts of pain on another person' (even if they consent).

This.

Sometimes stigma is deserved and justified and helpful to society.

Sometimes shame is deserved and justified and helpful to society.

What human right says we should never feel bad for anything?

So much fucked up ness going on right now. Shame, guilt, reversal, denial, minimising, normalising, recruiting allies.

Pathological psychological constructs being enacted in RL to ease the sufferer's pain regardless of the consequences and risks to others. Pure danger.

See the Great White Shark. Admire its incredible teeth. Don't be surprised if it fucking eats you.

Yes, sometimes you feel shame because you've done something to be ashamed of.
Wanting to rape a child = shameful.

Virtuous pedophile is a vile oxymoron.

Someone's been groomed well.

Very good point woman.

This reminds me of something I read called the transage movement. Where people "believe" that they are kids trapped in an adults body so they say it's ok for them to Like kids..... it makes me sick to think that this stuff could become acceptable. I worry for my kids future.

If paedophilia really was a genuine 'sexual orientation' (bleugh) then how come nearly all paedophiles, including the 'virtuous' ones, are men? How come women don't have this 'sexual identity'?

The fact is, if you are fantasising about having sex with kids, you are having fantasies about raping kids, about harming kids, about hurting someone who is smaller and much more vulnerable than you. That should never be legitimised in any way. And this idea that if these poor blokes aren't 'destigmatised' they will have no choice but to go and rape a child is bollocks as well. It should be treated the same as if you were having fantasises about murdering or harming someone in another way, whatever that treatment would be.

Plus as someone else said, most people who sexual abuse children aren't doing it because they have uncontrollable sexual urges for children, they are doing it because they can. To wield power over another human who is much more vulnerable than them.

This makes me sick. I don’t care if it’s a sexual orientation, that doesn’t trump children’s rights. It doesn’t trump a child’s right to a normal happy life. You don’t get a fucking award for not raping kids!
Trying to normalise it, to perhaps get these sick people the “help” they need, who the bloody hell wants to do that job. I certainly wouldn’t. I don’t believe it’s possible for a paedophile to live a normal life, no one wants to be friends with someone like that, or work with someone like that, or have their kids looked at in that way even if the paedophile never acts on it.

Utterly vile.

"If paedophilia really was a genuine 'sexual orientation' (bleugh) then how come nearly all paedophiles, including the 'virtuous' ones, are men? How come women don't have this 'sexual identity'? "

I think we don't know -
Women are far less likely to commit sex crimes than men so there could be a similar number but they're not acting on it
Some MRAs claim that women do sexually abuse children at the same rate but it's "hidden" - they have more access and more hold over the kids to stop them talking .I say this is not borne out by situations where they would have been found out - the abuse at the BBC (all men), the abuse in schools recently (all men), the abuse by religious people (vast majority men - I believe the magdalen laundries sexually abused but that's the only one I know of), #metoo all the stories (anon) that I've heard or read have been about men.... It's wishful thinking on the part of the MRAs that "women do it too" (although why they would wish for there to be at least double the amount of CSA going on as is estimated is anyone's guess)

We shouldn’t even be using the word p*

When talking about child rapists or child abusers we need to use those words.

Defining these offenders as a class in itself is going down the road of accepting them as a class of people and justifying/condoning their actions.

If someone wants to have sex with children, what is it that they are imagining they will enjoy about it?
If they are imagining what would really happen, which is a child terrified and probably injured, that isn't a legitimate thing to want.

Yes, exactly Happity. What is it about the idea of having sex with children that is so attractive to these people? They must know what the reality would be, even if in their heads they have built it up as some kind of lovely 'caring' relationship.

People can imagine things all they want. That has no impact on anyone else.

Acting on it is where there is a problem.

We have no way of knowing how many act and how many don't.
Presumably for many it's not their only sexual interest as lots of men who abuse children abuse their own (so have had sex with at least one woman pretty successfully).

I suspect (no evidence) that fancying pre pubescent children ONLY is a fairly rare condition.
I KNOW that most people (men) who rape or molest children, do so because they CAN. They are often pretty accessible, easy to maniupulate and control. You persuade them to do whatever - they don't know how to say no or what is really going on.

I find these "academic" conversations about the poor paedophiles ridiculous.

We need to talk about sex offenders.

NothingOnTellyAgain

YES!

Pedophiles don't love children, they hate them. They enjoy hurting them. The pain, the fear & the abuse of power is the attraction.

Loving children as a sexual 'orientation' is a filthy lie. Don't believe it. It is pure hate that drives these predators.

Surely anyone who has urges that they wish not to act on and wish to be rid of, can already access psychiatric help.

If 'Jonas' from the video wants to avoid going to the beach because of children being there, it's up to him to do so. He doesn't have to tell his friends why.

I think that child rapists and paedophiles will have a number of different psychological pathologies, motivations and constructs between them, and probably many layers to those internal beliefs.

And I think it is dangerous to assume that they are all the same because it stops us seeing them and where they try to hide and fit into in RL. 'Obvious' predators are the tip of the iceberg.

We have to know our enemy, and to some extent believe them in what they are telling us (as wise MNers would say) because it shows us what they want to do and how they want to do it. This means we can counter it more effectively.

But whatever they believe about what they are doing or thinking, it is still entirely wrong on every level. That will never change.

I can't stand the 'i was born like this' argument to try and make it a valid 'orientation'. I've always been attracted to men but if the only way to have sex with any man was against his consent with him being terrified I would not want to work towards acceptance for that!!! I would acknowledge something was very wrong in my psyche and do something about it, just because I was born with it is no excuse.

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