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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

BBC daily dose of trans propaganda and sexis.

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CaitlynsCat · 15/08/2018 08:43

Guna Yala: The islands where women make the rules - www.bbc.com/travel/story/20180813-guna-yala-the-islands-where-women-make-the-rules

That's the headline

"perhaps the most curious tradition in Guna Yala is its natural gender equality – and complete tolerance, if not celebration, of gender fluidity."

" ‘third gender’ is a completely normal phenomenon on the islands. If a boy begins showing a tendency towards acting ‘female’, the family naturally accepts and allows him to grow up as such. Very often, Omeggid will learn a skill that is typically associated with women; for example, most Omeggid living on the islands become masters at crafting the most intricate molas."

Molas of course being needlework, that well known bastion of gender equality.

So if your boy is a bit effeminate you trans him. Now where have we heard that before?

"Nandín Solís García, a transgender health educator told me that growing up as a gay, gender-fluid boy wasn’t difficult on the islands because she always had the support of her family, friends and community. It is mostly males that become transgender women – female transitions to male are extremely rare"

Now there's a surprise. Gay males being 'third gender'? Revolutionary. And the right to change gender only functioning for men? Even more.

"Guna women can make a substantial income by selling intricately embroidered molas and winis (colourful bracelets made from glass beads). One mola can sell for $30-$50, whereas a man will only make $20 in a whole day spent cleaning the bottom of a visiting sailboat."

A work of art that takes weeks and involves equipment and materials earns a bit more than a day's unskilled labour? Such wow.

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Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 09:55

There must be a unit devoted to manipulating every story into a gender identity affirming lecture. They won't be happy until we are all followers of genderism - - never going to happen--

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 09:56

Wouldn't the money be reason enough to do the stitching. Bit of a stretch by the BBC there. Was Kaffe Fasset transHmm

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 09:59

www.kaffefassett.com not trans

FruitOnAPlatter · 15/08/2018 10:02

A work of art that takes weeks and involves equipment and materials earns a bit more than a day's unskilled labour? Such wow.

Yeah - reminds me of when some people see some jumper/hat I've knitted for my kids, and say I should sell them, and I point out that the jumper I did for my 3 year old a couple of years ago took a month plus of knitting most evenings, so a good 2 full time weeks of work, and no-one's going to pay me my day rate for 2 weeks for a jumper.

These women's crafts are so undervalued - I bet that $50 mola took a week to do, and is highly skilled.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 15/08/2018 10:09

And I was just listening to A Radio 4 feature on midwives and not only did they have what sounded like a male midwife they also talked explicitly about the challenge of helping a trans man give birth. What percentage of midwives are male that one of the three selected should be male? How many transmen have given birth as a percentage of all births? Over-representation on both counts.

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:12

It's the sort of thing it's difficult to complain about or raise an issue with. But it's basically soft prop for faith in gender identity, for which there's no evidence in favour, and which de facto can't ever be found.

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:12

Worth complaining about the midwife article.

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:15

www.bbc/complaints/complain-online

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:15

My link doesn't work so just Google bbc online complaints

CaitlynsCat · 15/08/2018 10:17

Here's another dose of reality in contrast to the intense BBC bullshit.

newsok.com/article/3804946/the-art-of-the-mola-comes-from-panamas-guna-women

"Flory Saltzman Molas [is] a Panama City shop stacked to the ceiling [with] more than a million molas that Flory Saltzman began collecting and selling in the early 1960s.

The Guna women remained on the islands, just off the northeastern coast of Panama. The men did the selling, arriving at the shop between 7 a.m. and 9 a.m., when Flory Saltzman did her buying."

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nauticant · 15/08/2018 10:18

The BBC is alienating its core support. I was out at the weekend and the whole group agreed that we loved the BBC having been raised with it, felt enormous affection for it, but were less and less happy with its drift away from being an unbiased news source. Liberal, progressive, and unquestioning of "our side" is not unbiased.

The licence fee is only sustainable as long as most people are willing to go along with it (even reluctantly). As more people don't have the standard affection for Aunty Beeb, I can see the licence fee getting the boot. I wonder what form the BBC would take then?

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:22

I don't think the bosses at the BBC really care about that. They will all go on to other highly paid jobs or peerages, advisor positions, consultants, what have you. There isn't a great deal of interest in journalism as truth to power, that's pretty clear. There's no principle among them.

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:23

The minions would lose out but the leadership isn't that bothered about that.

nauticant · 15/08/2018 10:25

The irony being of course that in this era of fake news, choose your own facts, identity, reality, a BBC as a world class unbiased news source would provide something of enormous value.

As the BBC fails in its core mission, it is really inviting the question "what is the point of the BBC?"

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:41

Exactly. And they know what they're doing on the gender identity front, it's quite purposeful.

Charliethefeminist · 15/08/2018 10:41

Exactly. And they know what they're doing on the gender identity front, it's quite purposeful.

nauticant · 15/08/2018 10:58

It's an attitude of "those people are right-thinking like us so we'll give them a platform, but those other people, well, they think differently so they're bigots so we'll disrupt their delivery of their message".

They are slowly but surely corrupting the foundations of the BBC. But then in this polarised age most media entities are falling into the same seductive trap.

Spindelina · 15/08/2018 10:58

Re R4 life’s work, I think male midwife was good (stereotype-busting - the program was about midwifery, not childbirth). It was the male presenter that I found problematic.

theOtherPamAyres · 15/08/2018 11:07

BBC executives were shocked by an internal report that showed the BBC having 417 transgender employees. That's one in 50. Four times higher than the average.

"That's very, very high" said the executive behind the report.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/982116/bbc-transgender-staff-survey-lesbian-gay-bisexual-lgbt-diversity-uk-news

The BBC is a good example of "over-representation" and a workforce that does not reflect the general population. You have to question why over-representation - whether of men in the board room, or women as cleaners and general dogsbodies - is a "good thing" when it comes to transgender employees.

nauticant · 15/08/2018 11:41

I've seen it said in a number of places that over-representation of trans people to that degree at the BBC is "brilliant". It just is. And it's transphobic to ask "why is it brilliant?"

PyeWackets · 15/08/2018 11:47

The midwifes were so interesting but they had to shoehorn that bit in. Remember women can no longer have anything just for them and we must be reminded that the word woman has lost all meaning at every opportunity.

Ereshkigal · 15/08/2018 23:07

They are slowly but surely corrupting the foundations of the BBC. But then in this polarised age most media entities are falling into the same seductive trap.

Totally agree.

hackmum · 16/08/2018 12:51

WorkingOut - I heard that Radio 4 programme about midwives too, and rolled my eyes a bit.

MohanaS · 01/10/2018 07:36

I couldn't find anything particularly wrong with the BBC article. The third gender of Guna Yala is not gay men pretending to be transgender. It is a transgender community.

See: thecultural.me/a-second-approach-to-the-third-gender-the-people-of-guna-yala-771397

Also the images by Robert Kalman
www.robertkalmanweb.com/content.html?page=9

Also it's not clear that a mola takes weeks to complete. It might just take one day.

Maybe I'm missing the whole point of the argument.

thatdamnwoman · 01/10/2018 08:57

Yes, you are. You are missing out on the point that the community featured is homophobic and any young man exhibiting behaviour that is regarded as unmanly is reassigned as 'female' and the women of the community (you know, the people with vaginas who bear children) are required to accept a boy/ man with a penis as one of them.

It's homophobic, misogynistic and a breathtaking display of how gender works. Got a penis but like playing with dolls? You've been born into the wrong body and you're really a girl. The underlying message is 'real men don't do needlework. Needlework is women's work.' It's a men and non-men situation. Do you begin to get it now?