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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Banned from Facebook AGAIN

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PankyE · 11/08/2018 21:30

Hello all...
Been lurking for ages and LOVING the gender critical feminist chat and activism.

So last year I had a ptsd relapse after a trans MtF "friend" verbally assaulted me and wouldn't stop messaging me. Stating that there are "no safe spaces" and that I'm a Nazi and a TERF because I stated in a thread about a trans rapist that they shouldn't be permitted in a women's prison.

That got me thinking seriously about my position when it comes to trans activism.

I was a natural ally for years. Until I started reading about trans women being done for rape, voyeurism, assault and even murder and the proposed self ID.

It just didn't sit with me and I prided myself on being a libfem. I mixed with other libfems. But I really started to question things. The first time I was called a TERF was when I said I was a woman with a uterus. Just to clarify that I wasn't trans. Because I hadn't heard of the term "cis" yet.

How could being female with female biology be transphobic? I actually cried and couldn't sleep, wondering what was going on.

Finally I admitted to my bf how I felt. I felt ashamed and dirty but I knew in my heart that male bodied rapists should not be able to be housed with women in prison. That if any man could self ID then of course there will be men who use that opportunity to access vulnerable women and girls. But I felt like the only person on the world who felt this way.

I posted my feelings on my fb as I often did. And found that I started to receive inboxes from supportive male friends and many more female friends who thought I was brave for "speaking out".

A few also came at me demanding why I was so transphobic and why I had changed?

I also made new friends. Gender critical friends. They are earth mothers, deeply spiritual and wise women and I love them all.

I was on the thread regarding Max Dushu, the feminist and wicca being no platformed and like hundreds of others, came in defence of her and spoke out about witch hunts and misogyny. Someone reported me and I got a 30 day ban.

I've also been kicked out of a fundraising group I was a member of, because of being "too political". I was accused of being hateful too. I had no right to reply, no right to know who my accuser was or what I had done wrong. I was treated exactly like Max Dushu in fact. I instantly lost several close friends due to that witch hunt.

I came along to mumsnet and have been reading insightful and well informed debates and discussions around trans ideology. This is my first post about what happened to me. I honestly don't know if I can go back to Facebook. It was already a very sexist platform due to breastfeeding pictures. But now this.

But I won't stop fighting to protect women's spaces. At least here I know I can speak my mind, even if I can't use my real name.

I have so much more in my head, but I think I'll save that for another time.

Thanks for reading. Flowers

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thebewilderness · 11/08/2018 21:42

More and more people are leaving FB now that they know about the pay to play business model and the misogyny. The young ones left FB for instagram years ago so it is only a matter of time before it becomes all porn and political ratfucking all the time.
I am sorry they did that to you.

PankyE · 11/08/2018 21:47

Tah very much. Thank you for saying hello! I'm glad to have found mumsnet, so all the crap aside, this is a good thing!

Dunno what to do with my account though... Just leave it or deactivate it?

I am genuinely worried about being doxxed.

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UpstartCrow · 11/08/2018 21:49

Make your settings private.
Unfriend everyone who follows you.
Unfollow everyone.
Delete all your photos and posts.
Then either deactivate your account, or leave it unused so no one else can take the name.

Fabricwitch · 11/08/2018 21:57

Yeah, Facebook is a junk place. You should be proud of speaking out, I wish I was that brave

Vickyyyy · 11/08/2018 22:03

Facebook is utter garbage these days. I had a post removed that was discussing male violence, apparently it was against T&Cs, however someone posted a video of a woman being beat up and basically saying all feminsts deserve this and so on, I reported it and that was apparently fine. Bloody ridiculous.

LangCleg · 11/08/2018 22:42

I only use Facebook to keep up with older members of my family. Never get involved beyond anything other than "whose house for Boxing Day?" stuff. And I intend to keep it like that.

Iused2BanOptimist · 11/08/2018 23:59

It's mentioned on another thread but Facebook recently banned a group of 27,000 members - "Refuse to date men who do porn". I think we can guess the reason why (£$£$). I am so glad my younger DD and her friends eschew FB. They just do snapchat and Instagram (sadly owned by FB so no real escape). But I do believe FB will go the way of MySpace and Friends reunited etc.

LaSquirrel · 12/08/2018 00:13

Facebook is no longer a good place for women, or feminists.
I do love the way TRAs do the peaking for us. good job, keep it up!

endchauvinism · 12/08/2018 00:14

I think another reason higher up the chain for wanting to keep women down is that women are more likely than men to oppose pointless war and condemn corruption at the very top. Male culture seems to excuse anything that makes money, while women usually are more concerned with the well being of people.

PankyE · 12/08/2018 11:42

Tbh I was very vocal on Facebook. I never hated on any individuals. Just wanted to highlight the violence and the abuse that's been going on.
Trans victims of crime are always called trans. Trans perpetrators of crime are always called women, I have found.

I follow a lot of amazing feminists on there but it is fighting a losing battle when like you say, saying trans women are biological men gets you banned, but saying "terfs must die" is ok, you're on the wrong platform.

It would be nice to make some new friends I think. Flowers

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AngelsAckiz · 16/08/2018 11:31

Just over half way through my ban and really regretting all the outside accounts I registered through Facebook. I can't access any of them!

Facebook has too much power and I'm ready to quit it totally.

heresyandwitchcraft · 16/08/2018 12:08

Urgh. Facebook. Thank you for your posts PankyE.

I follow a lot of amazing feminists on there but it is fighting a losing battle when like you say, saying trans women are biological men gets you banned, but saying "terfs must die" is ok, you're on the wrong platform.

There's something very rotten with that algorithm.

Theresnodisneyending · 16/08/2018 14:44

Because I hadn't heard of the term "cis" yet

Oh God, this happened to me a couple of years ago. Hadn't yet heard the term "cis", so described myself exactly as you had. Completely innocent conversation turned horrific pretty quickly and I was accused of being a TERF and transphobic, all because I'd said about my uterus. This transwoman was leant over me, spitting as she venting her fury at me and my obvious "transphobia". I was shaking. I'm pretty thick skinned these days and can take confrontation like I never could when I was younger, but still, this transwoman was frightening. I wasn't expecting it at all - but she was 6 feet tall, she was bigger built that me, and the fury was just so frightening. We haven't spoken since, but she's fallen out with a lot of people since then. Two of my friends also got banned from social media for daring to say their piece on what had happened, because it was deemed "transphobic" (and I think facebook etc needs to be "seen to be on the ball") and I couldn't bare to see what she started saying about me.

AngelsAckiz · 16/08/2018 18:44

Oh no that's awful. They're just such bullies aren't they.
The first trans person I befriended put "her" hand on my arse while i was walking past. I was very angry and upset and left the party early, feeling unsafe and disrespected.
I took the time to email said transwoman to spell out how I felt being assaulted and lo and behold I got a very heartfelt apology. It was a wake up call for her and we are good friends now. She has had surgery and is a lovely person. Said recently she hates how trans sexual and trans gender have been blurred and disrespected. I really feel for her.

I never use the term cis. I find it offensive and ignorant personally. I've never aligned with my gender but always knew what sex I was.

But yeah. Why can't people see that it's not transphobia to call out male pattern violence? Rape with a penis is male violence no matter how it's dressed up (pun intended) and I find it unfathomable to be banned from social media for saying so.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 16/08/2018 18:53

Like LangCleg I only use FB for the bare minimum of keeping in touch, and that less and less. I often go weeks without using it. I don't add photos or anything much. I see it as a negative.

AngelsAckiz · 16/08/2018 20:23

There's a few groups I miss, but other than that, I think I can do without it. It's TTC support I'm missing atm and there was lots of it there.

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