Child abuse by couple - treatment of woman in the case disturning

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metro.co.uk/2018/08/10/girl-raped-at-least-16-times-by-her-own-dad-can-never-be-adopted-7824538/
This really upset me. Awful case, mother as well as father involved, but then you read that .....

The male also controlled his wife’s mental health medication and contact with doctors, cut her off from her family, and would not allow her to go shopping. The couple met in a pub in England when the woman was aged just 16 and within months she was pregnant. The court was told she had in effect been sexually groomed by her husband, who had spotted and exploited her vulnerabilities.
Robin Rouch, prosecuting, had previously told the court that the family did not socialise with neighbours, the daughter was home-schooled, the garden gate was kept padlocked, and curtains at the windows closed.
Judge Geraint Walters said the husband had ‘psychopathic tendencies’ and a ‘devious, wicked and flawed personality’ that combined with his wife’s flawed personality and vulnerabilities was the ‘chemistry’ that allowed the abuse of the little girl to happen.
The woman was the one to go to the police and tell them .

The sentences? Min 12 years for the man on a life sentence, 10 years sentences for the woman .

That’s horrific Lass, there aren’t words.

Bloody hell that brings tears to my eyes, and I do not fucking cry easily. Could there be a crowdfunder to ensure there are resources available that this little girl doesn’t slip through the cracks?? I’ve worked with special needs kids before and the resources to ensure a happy and loving environment are always well spent.

Homeschooling needs to be more closely supervised as well.
I disagree, the vast majority of abused children attend school.

Of course course majority of abused children attend school - the majority of children attend school. The point is that schools have safeguarding procedures, in part to identify and act upon cases of parental neglect and abuse. The system is not perfect but it exists. Home schooled children have no such safety net - maybe they should.

Home schooled children are exceptionally vulnerable. I've been professionally involved with number of abusive / religious zealots / mentally unwell parents "home educating ", sometimes in order to hide their children from the authorities and it takes extensive inter agency working to insist that their children must attend school. The law is on the side of parental rights, not parental responsibilities and this allows too many children to be abandoned to home ed unless some tenacious social worker / professional spots what is happening and acts.Presumably there'll be a serious case review into how this child was left to suffer.

Disordered men don't just spring from the ground anymore than disordered women do. It's dangerous to see the women as always victims, and the men as inherently evil or the sole architects of abuse.

It doesn't help reduce male offending and it minimises some serious female offending.

There are very, very few offenders of either sex that don't have one or a combination of; neurodevelopmental disorders, mental illness, head injury, experiences of childhood abuse.

Viewing one group as always likely to be a victim in their own offending but the other as always likely to be inherently dangerous by virtue of their sex disregards the issues that led each offender to their crimes.

womanspeaking

Every child being abused is exceptionally vulnerable. What a ridiculous statement.

I think any child put under total scientific watch and experimented on would have no chance to recover much so the case of genie is nit a good example though a very sad case.

Where were the inspectors that are supposed to look at home education?

There aren't any inspectors whose job it is to look at home education

So what is likely to happen to the ten year old? Is she almost certainly a lost cause? Is there any real understanding of how to reverse the effects of this sort of childhood or is it simply impossible?

She will almost certainly go into foster care rather than be cared for by her extended family. Personally I doubt very much that we have the knowledge and expert therapists to effectively counter ten years of horrific abuse. We are barely able to understand how best to parent children who have been through trauma of a much lesser degree, such as those who are removed from their families and placed for adoption

Exactly that wimple there’s no such thing as home school inspectors.
Never had any one come near in all the years I’ve done so as there’s no such thing.

Local authorities are expected to monitor home education. They are not given a budget for this but most employ someone to monitor home ed. No one knows how many children are in HE as parents are under no obligation to tell so there's no central register. LAs contact and visit only if they are advised that there is a child being home educated and if the parent agrees. With all the cuts to LA budgets, non statutory work is increasingly cut and the home ed staff will be included.
Heartease68 Of course every child being abused is exceptionally vulnerable. But children abused in the home and trapped with their abusers have no chance of disclosing even if they could summon up the courage to tell - there's no one else there.
I try not to overreact but it is depressing how often all the attempts to put in place monitoring of HE children are continually sabotaged by HE parents, many of who fail to recognise that while their children might be thriving there are a smaller number of vulnerable children falling through the net. And this child is yet another terrible example of this.

I would have never objected to any check on me home schooling I find bizarre in fact that there are none

Reading that Metro piece, it sounds to me like that woman was forced to do those things, whether by physical or mental coercion, and was as much a victim as the child.

I have heard of women being captured by ISIS and forced to kill their babies. Should they be sentenced as murderers too?

it could happen to anyone

There is nothing in this world that could make me sexually abuse my own child, or any other child, or film a child being raped. I would rather die.

Like a lot of PPs, I agree that the mother was groomed, abused and coerced , but there has to be some degree of personal responsibility taken at some point otherwise the cycle never ends. I'd imagine the father's childhood was pretty fucked up too.

That poor, poor kid.

Chaotic,it’s a really hard thing isn’t it ,I would think that is why she got the much lesser sentence and psychiatric help.
I’m sure the judge understood this and took it into account.
It’s a very sad case all round

It’s easy to say you would never do so living a normal life and not been in her situation.
Not one of us knows how we could deal with a horrendous situation till we are put into it

Boopsy
It is highly likely you've just described the life story of the father in this case. Are you saying it's not fair to blame him?

What I got from the Fred and Rose West article I referred to (before I gave up reading) was that both had been brought up in circumstances of utter depravity. Rose was regularly raped as a child by her father and grandfather- her mother knew all about it. Rose in turn raped and abused her younger brothers.

I don't recall telling or teaching my son that the sort of things which went on in their families were wrong. Most of it was so horrible one would not even raise the topic. For the majority of people cruelty, paedophilia, incest, bestiality are so innately wrong we simply know it.

But what causes some people not to have that innate revulsion? And surely at some point there must be a dawning, no matter what their upbringing was, that this behaviour is wrong and should not be repeated on their own children?

So far as this little girl I hope she is getting the intensive care and therapy she will need.

Like a lot of PPs, I agree that the mother was groomed, abused and coerced , but there has to be some degree of personal responsibility taken at some point otherwise the cycle never ends. I'd imagine the father's childhood was pretty fucked up too.

please listen to this podcast with Laura Richards about coercive control and the women in the UK who have been wrongly convicted by a misogynistic legal system.

Expecting someone in coercive control to take responsibility misunderstands who has control of who and to what extent. Coercive control is a liberty crime. Women become, over time, the puppet of someone else and do things against their will and values-examples are children and women sex trafficked. In those cases, the women are not in their right mind and can't be held to the same standard as the coercive controller. Julie Bindel founded Justice for Women to bring more awareness to the miscarriages of justice for women in exactly these circumstances. No one is defending or downplaying the abuse of the child which is heinous in anybody's' book - but understanding who is responsible is much more complicated where coercive control is at play. Simplistic bad and good doesn't apply, except to the psychopath doing the controlling.

The above-quoted remark indicates a lack of understanding about coercive control and how it can be deliberately applied to some unfortunate women who are targeted under 18, gradually groomed and then forced to be complicit in abusing their children by the abuser, to allow them to carry on the abuse in private. The fact that the woman, in this case, did go to the police is a credit to her courage in escaping the psychological prison she was entrapped in. She did the right thing when she was able to. People may not understand why she did things to her children that they can't conceive - but they are not in her shoes. Being open to learning why some women end up doing things, against their will, is more helpful than judgement imo.

And the remark about the male offender is not proven in research.

noeffingidea, I completely agree. I have twice seen children that school have flagged up to SS being taken out of school by parents. We collectively feared for both sets of children, but were powerless to stop it, despite many attempts.

But what causes some people not to have that innate revulsion?

Psychopathy would be one possible answer. And there is now evidence that psychopathy is strongly heritable, so can run in families.

Another possibility that has been suggested recently is to do with epigenetics:

epigenetics is revealing that a slew of behaviors, from depression and other mental illnesses to aggression and perhaps even crime, may be shaped by chemical imprints laid down in the cells of people who suffer traumatic childhoods.

medium.com/matter/the-new-theory-that-could-explain-crime-and-violence-in-america-945462826399

These are just hypotheses so far, though.