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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I’ve delurked and deactivated my account but keep coming back because you women on here are awesome

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Truthmytruth · 10/08/2018 02:07

I try my best not to get involved because I am too emotional and often say things that may be construed as having a vested interest in to the anti trans perspective. However, I reckon no rational person would fail to critique the rhetoric being spewed by the anti feminist brigade
Correction. Anti female. If we say anti feminist it just gives the mra a reason to fight us. If we say anti female then we are on a more universal stance given we are the majority. Anti feminist just gets most of the other sexes back up. If a man/ male acknowledges that the mra type people are actually coming after their wife/ girlfriend/ daughter/ niece they may listen to is more. As soon as you use the word feminism most of our good guys will take offence. The language we women want to use will create a barrier. Just highlight the safety of woman and children without using the f word as in feminism might help our cause. Let’s face it , men don’t like the f word as on feminism. We need to appeal to their egos and their protective stance and tell that their women and children are at risk. If we let men think they are the hero’s they will up their game. I have read all these threads and the women on here are amazing. However, I think we need to target our men folk. We need to peak them. Most of us women know the consequences of women’s spaces being erased. We need to inform our men. Once they become part of this debate we will gain traction. Most men are oblivious to this as it doesn’t effect them as a trans man in their space means nothing. A trans man will be a small man with no voice simply because the trans man has been socialised to be subservient. This is not a threat to men. On the other hand a trans female, relies on us woman to accommodate them. They believe they are stronger than us but they are the sad group as they can’t be part of their own sex therefore, they try to give themselves some dominant role by being a female. The trans activist sadly are weak men. Who wants that man. They know they are the bottom of male culture so they think they can usurp femaleness and be top cat. Oh. We see this. Trans ideology is ruining progression and maintaining the stereotype. If it wasn’t so obvious it would fall on its face. Sadly our kids haven’t a clue. It is our job to educate them. Never thought I would personally have to tell my kids that feminine or masculine does not mean male or female. I think our kids and our woke bros need a lesson in actual gender as a construct. How the hell have we brought these woke kids up that they believe their own shite.

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womensvoicesmatter · 10/08/2018 02:50

Welcome back :)

Aintnothingbutaheartache · 10/08/2018 02:57

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sistermorphine · 10/08/2018 03:04

Personally It makes me really sad that men are only willing to have my back in arguments such as this when they see how it affects me as their girlfriend, their daughter, their wife, their mother.... rather than any other woman with no personal connection to them. It makes me really sad when I've only managed to stop men watching porn when I've had to graphically explain how pornsick men have raped me. It makes me sad when I've had to explain to my own father that the 'child prostitutes' the tabloids tell him about in Rotherham could have easily been ME. It makes me sad when I have to explain to my sister that explaining women's historical oppression to men is NOT patronising them - it's educating them. I agree a whole lot of sensitivity is required because a lot of guys are sensitive little snowflakes who will jump and shout when we try and explain rape culture. God forbid they have to come to terms with their own bad behaviours of the past. Indeed a lot of them do have a 'protective' stance. It is absolutely our duty to explain to them how this protective stance in 2018 is a social construct, not a reality. The best thing we can do for men is to treat them like the ADULTS that they are and this means treating them as accountable for their actions. This means not doing shit for them. This means not doing their domestic labour, not doing their emotional labour. We can help them by showing them solid facts, solid evidence to back up our feminist worldview. We can help them by patiently explaining how patriarchy has negatively affected them. If we do all this, more than once while making them fucking dinner and making sure they've contacted their parents and bought gifts for their mothers and nieces and sisters on time, while we've arranged our life to suit their life, while we've raised their children and put a whole lot of faith and time into our relationships with them and they STILL choose not to listen to us, choose NOT to understand us - then these men can simply fuck right off.

Truthmytruth · 10/08/2018 03:08

I hope the Twitter crew will also look At j Bradley threat and quote this. It’s amazing that the something from mars who spends every waking moment trolling mumsnet has not commented on jb

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sistermorphine · 10/08/2018 03:14

JB was a ticking timebomb. I'm sure it's not just us gender critical crowd that knew it. Don't forget that JB is absolutely not representative of trans folk. Most just want to lead peaceful lives. The activists though who have gone down the rabbit hole and been indoctrinated into the gender cult.. ? We know what these people think about women - very little.

Truthmytruth · 10/08/2018 03:37

sisteorphine you are spot on.

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sistermorphine · 10/08/2018 03:57

truthmytruth - thankyou. I'm about to start a degree and hopefully a life that will benefit women and girls in the long run if I work hard, work on myself and focus. It's not certain to me that i'll achieve this but i'll try my best. What I'm really worried about is how current policies of affirmation of dysphoric youth with medication will affect this. I feel your concerns and agree we're going to have to reach out to the men in our lives. I try and for the large part some agree with me but I wonder how much they agree with me about women's oppression is based on them seeking affirmation of their own kind as in how much do they want to just appease me rather than agree with me? I'm not sure how to generally 'peak' them. I think with my own boyfriend explaining to him how hormones and surgery affect preteens and teenagers worked the most but only after I'd worked on him for a long time with gender stereotypes as he's not native to Britain and has a tendency to take things personally due I suppose to his hyper awareness that he was raised by a stay at home (adoptive) mother and a very stereotypically masculine father (truck driving, non-cooking, etc... ) as opposed to my own upbringing by a widowed father that had to act as a mother. I don't believe that men who don't immediately agree with us are worthy of an instant 'right off' but at the same time having to waste time and energy explaining really basic stuff to men is really tiring. Our own well being and peace of mind must always come first x

thebewilderness · 10/08/2018 04:48

Most just want to lead peaceful lives

I think that was probably true for a long time. It is not true now. The majority of transgenders now are girls trying to identify their way out of oppression, confused children being taught that any deviation from sex role stereotypes means they are transgender, and men who are cross dressers, or transvestites or whatever the politically correct term for the fetish is at the mo.

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