What on earth was wrong with my thread???

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Did it even have any replies on it? I post then check back in and for the first time ever you're looking behind the scenes @MNHQ?? But I have no email from you?

I namechange all the time and post on random things on my mind but what on earth is wrong with wondering about a YouTuber???

What were you wondering and about whom?

What was the thread?

Hello, I reported your thread, actually. Because I felt it was not the position of the feminist board to speculate on the mental health issues of a specific YouTuber. You mentioned them by name and their various diagnoses, and I felt it was too personal. I didn't want to "bump" it, which is why I didn't write my objection on the original thread itself.
If you would like to talk about mental health more generally (with specific reference to studies) and make a feminist link, then this would be okay. Or we can talk about someone's views or actions. I don't think it's right to talk about a specific person's mental health, however.
Apologies, I ought to have sent you a message earlier to give you a heads-up.

A specific YouTuber who is MtF trans with a list of MH diagnoses that seems exceptionally long and makes me wonder if it is a parody or genuine or just younger generations are more extroverted

Tbh I'm wondering about quite a few MtF YouTubers but I ran out of trying to work out how many diagnoses this one had and posted on them

Well considering they post multiple videos on YouTube discussing it themselves and seems to somehow relate to them being trans... and are influencing the younger generation who follow these people

Why is it personal? They're the one making videos and earning off it!

I don't mean to be censorious. I just don't think it was appropriate to speculate whether someone's list of mental health diagnoses is "genuine or parody." I know this forum gets raucous at times, but I didn't see a link with feminism. This just seemed like an unnecessary road to walk down.
If you want to have a general conversation about whether other diagnoses might affect the development of a trans identity (such as the proposed link to autism in young people), and then illustrate your arguments with specific examples from the public domain or specific opinions then this has a different flavour.
Or if you wanted to speak about that person's ideas and how they relate to feminism, then that's fine. Or if you wanted to talk about how we talk about mental health more generally now, this would also be very welcome.
I just didn't like the idea of this thread being dedicated to discussions around this one trans YouTuber's mental health diagnoses.
I hope you don't take this personally, I just felt it went against the spirit of the feminist board as I see it.

Right so basically you own feminism chat and unless someone happens to post in the exact style you choose it's not okay???

You could have frigging looked up the individual before jumping over what I can and can't post and why I might be posting it in feminist chat

Or you know... asked!

Well, MNHQ agreed and took the thread down so it's not one person's opinion, is it?

Mnhq obviously agreed though op?

Yeah agreed so much they can't be arsed to send me a fucking email despite being perfectly clear to them from posting history that I'm a long term poster, no troll and if anyone bothered to look up the individual or know who I was commenting on it would have been clear.

I agree heresy there is a line isn't there.

If people have MH diagnoses then we must be responsible in how we approach that. Sometimes what we outwardly see of the behaviour of people with mental health issues are symptoms of the illness (could be mania, psychosis, paranoia, obsessive thought, anger, lack of judgement etc), not necessarily their whole or their well and rational self. That is not neccesarily a free pass but it makes it complicated and nuanced.

Speculating about diagnoses in a specific person is over the line in many cases I think - I can live with speculating about a male sex offender who wants to transition to go to a women's prison but for specific relevant reasons. How many people are properly qualified to speculate about MH diagnoses anway?

I agree that if you have specfic concerns then there is probably another way to discuss them.

unless someone happens to post in the exact style you choose it's not okay???

No, it's not that at all - I did see your post and thought about responding, because I do have some background experience in that area (FWIW at least two of those diagnoses are exclusionary; ie you wouldn't have them at the same time but perhaps change from one to the other as the illness progresses). But it's a really important tenet of psychiatry (and medicine in general aiui) that professionals should not comment on the cases of patients they haven't personally examined. It's why many psychs have been so circumspect on e.g. Trump - without talking to or examining the patient it's absolutely irresponsible to comment on someone. That said, some have come forward because this particular person has a great deal of power.

I know we're not professional psychiatrists here, so haven't exactly taken a Hippocratic oath, but I do think it's not right to discuss someone's health issues in this way even if they're massively oversharing online.

As heresy says, it would be useful to discuss mental health related to any of these issues (the difference in treatment between UK and US is fascinating and worrying in equal measure, for example), just not to single out one person in particular.

But yes, younger people are generally more comfortable in disclosing their MH problems and that is generally good in that it is better than feeling ashamed but that openness leaves them vulnerable to the stigma that still exists and to personal criticism, and as I said often leaves them showing their symptoms to a world that doesn't know them or properly understand MH issues.

but that openness leaves them vulnerable

...to Tumblr diagnosis and Dr Google. And social contagation. And predatory grooming. I think we've covered this well in other threads but the more you look at young people, especially with ROGD, there's usually a cluster of other circumstances/illnesses in the background and identity confusion is a less stigmatised peg than "needs psychiatric help". It worries and enrages me that we're doing such a shit job of adolescent mental health care.

Yes totally agree silentcrow.

MH care in this country is appalling and getting worse.

For the record, I did have a quick look at the YouTuber before reporting the post. Not someone I was very familiar with. They've posted a whole many different videos, watching all of them would have been impossible. So I watched the beginning of their "how do you know you're transgender" video, and I liked the fact that they put their disclaimers in the beginning, including not taking all their information from the internet, and telling young people they might grow out of it. They said it's an individual process, and that if you're not dysphoric then you're unlikely to be transgender. They didn't sound like the worst sorts of TRA's out there. In that same video they explicitly say that biological sex is a thing and framed the language in terms of transsexuality. Again, I am happy to talk about very specific problematic videos or content - just not discussing the list of mental health diagnoses of a person and whether they are real.
Again, I apologize for any hurt feelings and for not giving you a heads up. I am certainly not the "boss" of this board.

You need to read the new special FWR guidelines from MNHQ about posting on transgender issues.
From the sounds of it you failed to walk on eggshells as required.