Misogyny and sexism. How big is the overlap?

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I've been asked what the difference is, and I'm struggling to articulate it.

I would say that sexism is based on being lazy with gender stereotypes, (so assuming that a women rather than a man is a secretary), whereas misogyny has an actual hatred/fear/contempt of women behind it (so saying women are only good for being secretaries, or better still being at home with the children), but I don't know whether that's fully it.

I don't know whether I'm making sexism seem too minor in my definition. What would you say?

And you still want to say that misogyny is not hatred of women
That isn't what I said.

I said not all misogyny comes from hatred - which is quite a different thing. Some of it undoubtedly does, but I don't believe all of it does.

I believe there are myriad reasons why people hold the views they have and behave the way they do. 'Hatred' is at the far end of a spectrum.

I also argued that I didn't believe sexism and misogyny are necessarily a pair. I think you can have sexism without misogyny, but not the other way around.

There will be many thing 'as a man' that I won't have experienced, and there will be plenty of others that I have, and happen to men also. We also do hear many of the comments you talk about at coffee machines, or after a few pints. Some of us cringe and challenge it. We aren't immune or blind to it.

Well since misogyny literally and actually means hatred of women...

"Mid 17th century: from Greek misos ‘hatred’ + gunē ‘woman" Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/misogyny

..when we say misogyny we do actually mean where there is hatred (strong or intense dislike, contempt) involved.

You seem to be another who wants to redefine words!!

I am arguing that the feeling of hatred and the expression of hatred against women is the product of views and feelings held.

Be they confusion, bitterness, frustration, anger, revenge etc focussed via prevailing anti-women views on the perceived source of the problem (women), whether this is objectively justified or not.

This can be 'hot' anger or 'cool' disgust or contempt, or some mixture etc.

As I said hatred for me does not begin at 10/10, it starts much sooner and our (perhaps your) tolerance should be much lower.

But I will agree that some (too many) men will 'enjoy' their hatred, their contempt of women when they make their power plays or sexual abuses.

I'm not redefining anything.

From the OED:
dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women

Language evolves, but dislike and hatred are not the same thing, nor is contempt.
If you want to interpret all misogyny as hatred, then that's your choice, but I choose otherwise as is my choice. Hatred is such an extreme word and interpretation. I'm not discounting it as a motive, I'm simply saying it's not the only motive.

I'm not redefining the meaning of misogyny, you're limiting it to hatred, I'm saying it's wider than that.

..when we say misogyny we do actually mean where there is hatred (strong or intense dislike, contempt) involved.

Strong dislike and contempt are not necessarily hatred. Hatred is an extreme example but it's not the only one.