Japanese Medical School

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I was just reading in Time that Japanese medical schools have admitted ‘doctoring’ entrance exams to stop women getting in
Apparently they were concerned they’d want to have babies and their training would be wasted.

Fucks sake

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1KS0S9

Urgh, that is a very dark story indeed.
Looking at the reporting from USA Today, they say they've been doing this for at least 12 years?!

An internal investigation found that Tokyo Medical University started manipulating the results in 2006 - or possibly earlier - because its leaders thought female students would leave their careers when they became mothers.

The investigation found that last year, the school reduced all applicants’ first-stage test scores by 20 percent, then added up to 20 points for male applicants. It said similar manipulations had been taking place for years.

eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/08/07/tokyo-medical-university-sorry-altering-results-exclude-women/921515002/

My medical school in London was done for that in the 80s. I got in despite an algorithm that gave girls fewer points because we outperformed the boys in interviews ? and exams which wasn't fair on the poor late maturing boys

Those poor late maturing boys perhaps if they’re not mature enough then hold off on being a doctor for a bit rather than disadvantaging highly capable women.
This gives me the utter rage.

2rebecca, I am sorry that you were actually discriminated against like this. Even though you still got in, that's truly awful.

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They still admitted 50% women. The algorithm was racist too but George's was still more racially mixed than most other med schools showing how interviewers discriminate

I mean this is nothing new, women were way outperforming men in the leaving cert so Ireland brought in an extra exam called the HPAT to make sure that they were selecting the "right" candidates to be doctors and was not only based on exam results unsurprisingly the amount of men getting in went way up

"Professor of Academic Medicine and Director of Undergraduate Teaching and Learning at Trinity College, Prof Shaun McCann, said one of the aims of changing the entry system to medical school was to adjust the gender balance.

“From the [medical] profession’s point of view, a 50/50 mix is desirable,” he said. Foundation Head of the Graduate Entry Medical School at the University of Limerick, Prof Paul Finucane, said: “The pendulum had swung too far in favour of females. It’s important we have a system that doesn’t disadvantage males in the way that 40 to 50 years ago, it disadvantaged females.”

www.imt.ie/opinion/guest-posts/hpat-to-engender-a-better-balance-12-02-2010/

Why they don't admit we're just the superior sex and maybe boys should do more low paid crap jobs and housework is beyond me.
They have to fight hard and dirty to keep the gender pay cap skewed in their favour.
If we didn't have the SEX BASED issue of childbearing to deal with (including unplanned teen pregnancy, breastfeeding, men pretending to be/ being rubbish at looking after small kids) we'd be taking over the world.
Although there's also the fact of psychopathic personality traits being more represented at the tops of career structures and the vast majority of psychopaths being male.

This happened to my Mum in the 70s. Having got excellent exam results, she got an interview at Kings to do medicine and was told she was (at 22) too old to go to medical school as she’d only leave to have babies and not complete her training. She ended up training as a radiographer instead.

Grrrr this has made my blood boil (I’m Irish).
Though my non-Irish DH just commented that next time we are there he will insist on a female doctor because all this tells us they are clearly better.

That’s so shit vegan

Men look after their own. Just like the devil.

Agree really sad for your mum. 22 is nothing these days.

I am reading this with my jaw on the floor. I had no idea any of this was going on.

Used to go on with the eleven plus where I grew up in the Midlands.
Boys needed a lower pass mark, again to compensate them for being slower maturing. A teacher explained that some brilliant boys who weren't showing their fine minds until 13 would otherwise be passed over.
Even at the time I thought, hang on, how do you know we're not just more able?

Yup, when I started as a medical student in 1975, the majority of London medical schools had a 10% quota for women, the only exception was (I think) the Royal Free.
I went to a Scottish medical school that was considered daringly modern as it had 30% female students!
Even there, some of the senior medical staff were sexist bastards. I remember a consultant gynaecologist telling me and my tutorial group that he approved of female students as it meant “ more women for us to sleep with”.
I was asked at a job interview for a junior doctor post in my own hospital “How will your husband breast feed your children while you’re at work?”. I was childless at the time!

Perma
Also in the Midlands,I was assessed as a 'borderline ' pass at 11 plus and missed Grammar school.
We were told later that as boys would go on to be the breadwinners ,they had been given priority for GS places.

That's so crap,mimi

Ugh. I started medical school in 2002 and had two babies during my degree. I was told off multiple times “for wasting resources and spaces for other people”.
The number of times I was told that women (actually they always called us girls) were wasting spaces that men and their mighty non-childbearing bodies could take up was unreal.
I finished at the exact same time as the rest of my cohort.

Whao, I never realised. This happened to my mother in the 1930s, where they only accepted 10% female applicants.

And then they do studies that find this...

Women doctors 'best for female heart patients' www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-45096070

It is infuriating.
A system designed to give preference to the be-penised, and they still cannot cut it within a biased system!

We will never be 'equal' until we can coast along (successfully) as the most mediocre of males.

Don't get me started on schooling! The only drama in the last two decades were the number of boys failing to meet the standards, and girls outperforming them massively. Was never deemed a problem when it was the other way around.

I took the 11 plus in the 1960s, in Bucks, when girls were automatically required to have higher marks to pass

• iirc this policy was nationwide at the time "to be fair to boys"

I had the flu and could hardly stand, so was taken to school solely for the 11 plus exam.

Fortunately I still passed:
the local secondary modern was so notoriously bad that the marking distortion could have changed my whole future; those of us from a very low income background rarely had 2nd chances then.

I have a friend that moved to Japan. When we were chatting about the differences she said that Japan is not very working woman friendly at all, she said that 68% of women don't return to work after having a baby. I don't know if that stat is correct, but if it is, it won't only be medicine that restricts women in this way

The fury now that so many MRA supporters have
is that some of the automatic advantages of being men have been removed.

They hate competing on equal terms, without previously automatic right to the best opportunities.