Women doctors 'best for female heart patients'.

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In the BBC news today

How on earth are researchers supposed to cope with their findings being affected if self ID goes ahead. I know this is nothing to do with transgender but it just glares out at me how skewed so many facts are going to be.

Self ID affects everything to do with women.

This article is fascinating, thanks OP.
Yay for female doctors and people researching into these sex-differences in care!

That's really interesting.

To try to understand why is the next step of course.

We know that women's chance of dyng if we have a heart atatck in the UK is much higher than men's as our symtpoms are not recognised as heart attack due to being different to the "default man". (From BBC - women were 50% more likely than men to receive the wrong initial diagnosis after a heart attack.)

Heart disease is the biggest or 2nd biggest killer of women in the UK I believe so it's not because there's really hardly any of us with this.

The idea expressed in the article that "One theory is that men may be worse at treating women, researchers said." needs serious investigation. We know that unconious bias has all sorts of outcomes. It's also known that people put more or less "value" on the lives of others based on a range of characteristics. Is it posisble that male doctors subconsciously don't see women as valuable as their male patients?

Well for a start the title of this thread will make no sense as both the word woman and female are not permitted to have their original biologically based meanings. Prize for anybody who can rewrite the title so that it is not transphobic or exclusionary but still conveys the information it was supposed to convey.

"Cisgender non-male doctors 'best for cisgender non-male heart patients" still?

Still transphobic as doesn't mention transwoman doctors or patients though I suppose.

And excludes those doctors & patients assigned female at birth who identify as male, non binary or something else?

I don't mean to just be facetious (and I'm about to pay by being massively rain stormed on) but to highlight why mixing up gender language and biological language really does not work. If the powers that be go down the enforced gender ideology route, at some point they will have to find language for biology again.

I read about this today, it’s fascinating and I’m so glad it’s been published. It’s time the NHS recognised that they there is often a subconscious discrimination against women in terms of diagnosing and treating. I say that as someone who was a nurse for 26 years and married to a Hospital Consultant. Women’s symptoms are more likely to be trivialised.
Frankly it’s a bloody scandal.

My female neighbour had a massive heart attack a few weeks ago. Her husband said it was probably just her needing some fresh air and suggested she go out for a walk. That's how different the symptoms are between men and women. Fortunately her daughter popped in on a random visit and called 999.

Huge differences in how cardiac problems present in men and women and yet the incidence of them is almost the same between the sexes (women’s cardiovascular issues seem to be approaching Male levels.)

There was a pretty good push for awareness of this a couple of years back and it was helping - it’s SO important to have clear language around medical issues of all types. When you’re dealing with the public you need clear, simple language that is easy to understand.

If I was paying privately for my health care there is no way I'd be putting up with this nonsense.

It makes me not want to go to a hospital because I can't be guaranteed:

Single sex wards
A doctor or nurse of my same sex to look after me
Medicines given to me at an appropriate time because men are always given their meds first.
My privacy as a patient being respected.

Prize for anybody who can rewrite the title so that it is not transphobic or exclusionary but still conveys the information it was supposed to convey.

That prize will remain unclaimed and full of dust before someone comes up with the convoluted language needed to include women and female to mean woman and female.

I haven’t been able to read the paper. Do they address the distinction between sex & gender identity, and say whether any of the patients and indeed doctors had reassigned their gender? It would affect or indeed invalidate any conclusions.

I'd be more concerned with the fact I might die due to inherent and long standing sexism in the medical profession and in medical science than in whether I had a male or a female doctor at that point TBH.

I understand that this problem is literally impossible to vocalise if biological sex is illusory / social / immaterial etc.

In this case though simple old fashioned bias (sexism) is currently leading to the lots of women dying when they sholdn't have died. I'm glad that it's being talked about in the media. The series on sexism in medicine on the BBC has been generally good.

It's good that these things are finally being recognised.

(Although I agree with a poster on anotehr thread that the current drive to obfuscate language & make women's health matters unspeakable again is a clear patriarchal pushback against the ground that we have gained).