IW on Loose Women

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Hi all,

IW is on Loose Women in a few moments. I think she is going to discuss GRA. Apologies if a thread has already been started.

Think she only made that point as it could impact health care services given. So really she’s still only looking out for herself ..

As far as I remember India was always against self ID and every Tom, Dick and Harry being included. It's a common complaint that there is, or should be, a grading of transwomen's authenticity.

I think she was then piled on by Transactivists, so changed her mind. But now appears to have changed it back.

I understand. Everyone knows that there is, indeed, a difference between transvestites and men with gender dysphoria.

Except there is now no way to put that particular genie back in the bottle. It's become all or nothing.

IW wants the legal title "woman" to be afforded to old school trans sexuals only

IW has changed her position again then. Immediately after the MN interview on Julia H-B, she seemed to build a lot of bridges and align with many prominant twitter TRAs (much retweeting of Gooliana Mimmymum etc I recall).
She also said she had seen the light with regards self-id.

There was a bit of talk amongst some Twitter TRAs about forgiving her after that (& the stunning Pink News article)

India was once quite outspoken in what they are saying now, but then they recanted, not long after the CBB experience... seems they have gone back to their old beliefs and are no longer afraid of being called truscum.

TBF to IW, they did explain the implications of self ID reasonably well and the dangers of no follow-up support.
It was classic IW (me, me, me) but she did confess how she is putting herself on the line by offering her opinions. An insight into how heated this debate is under the surface.

Oops crosspost!

Apart from misleading information about puberty blockers, IW has been quite fair in that interview. Not too much me me me either this time.

Well done LW and IW.

Yes, it does seem to be all or nothing as you say Datun.
What health care does India mean? Mental health or physical health?
Male to female could still have prostate problems, just as female to male could still have issues with ovarian cancer I would imagine, or am I wrong there?

Was the panel less gushing than last time?

I'd always pegged Janet Street-Porter as a sensible, take no prisoners type woman, but even she joined in the discussion last time nodding along to IW's "hormone wash" explanation of transsexualism, and cooing about dating experiences

India Willoughby 24th April 2018 Pink News
Opinion
'Britain’s rampant transphobia has me worried for my life'

"Last year, I attended an event with lots of other LGBT people at Downing Street, where Theresa May promised to make the lives of trans people safer and easier, with the implementation of a new Gender Recognition Act. A key point of which will be allowing trans people to legally self-identify as a man or woman, without jumping through numerous bureaucratic hoops.

I totally get why many women might have concerns about this, given there have been so many ridiculous over-the-top debates where the scenario of sex-offender in a dress is trotted out.

It just doesn’t bear up to scrutiny though. Honestly. Self-identification in no way incentivises someone to commit a sex offence. It doesn’t make it easier or more likely.

Waving a piece of paper or shouting “I’m a woman” is not going to buy any leniency from the police or courts.

I admit – I wasn’t convinced about self ID myself to begin with, but the evidence from around the world is irrefutable. I was categorically wrong, and fell for the hysteria.

Portugal, Ireland, Norway, Columbia, Malta, Belgium, Denmark and Argentina have or are adopting the same legislation – and there have been no spikes is assaults.

Women’s areas will not become dangerous places when the Gender Recognition Act is passed.

At our garden party, Mrs May admitted her party’s reputation on LGBT matters was poor, but promised that was going to change.

We all clinked glasses, ate cucumber sandwiches and had our photo taken with the PM.

Nothing has happened.

The act has stalled through pressure from hardline feminist groups, who see all trans women as potential rapists in dresses.

Cabinet minister Lis Truss has now tweeted her support for Mumsnet, despite the site hosting rampant transphobia. She needs hauling in to the PM’s office – and Theresa May needs to keep her promise about protecting trans people.

And where’s Amber Rudd, the government’s Women’s and Equalities Minister, in this? What has she got to say about about this persecution of a tiny group of women? The silence is deafening." (continues)

and as a journalist, which she often stresses, I think India really should be challenged about her statements

I note IW did not mention feminists on LW, why the change?

As certain as night following day. Hi Christine 👋
The IW pile on begins, with a extra dig at MN on the side.

I can't imagine a male journalist/celebrity BB contestant who wrote an article in the last six months accusing Mumsnet & Justine Roberts of the things India did in the PN one above not being asked about it on Loose Women.

In fact I'd be amazed given the perceived demographics if Loose Women (or This Morning) would have them on to discuss anything else.

Well that's an interesting tweet from India.

I have to wonder what's made IW change her position - and it certainly has changed.

Does IW see the tide turning? Has the JB suspension and blog had a weight on this?

IW sees how IW will be affected by public backlash against the likes of Jess Bradley flashing their cock in the women’s changing rooms. Long and short of it.

IW needs to be asked about her change of position.

That's very interesting.

Yes would appear IW is very savvy and aware of the tide turning on this one.

I think the dangers of allowing self id are clear. No-one has ever had a problem with transsexuals until now they've been hijacked by this very aggressive trans lobby who are trying to make everything meaningless.

I agree with IW. It's a massive step to take and should not be de-medicalised. It is so important to have gatekeeping to prevent abuse.

Maybe India is thinking with her female brain cells?

That interview gives me a slight slither of hope. Although not the transing of children part. I hope more mainstream programmes start discussing it.

I'm amazed that IW gets to be on TV again after their performance on cbb. It would have killed any lesser persons career.

I agree with others that IW will say anything they think will get them the most attention. They'll be writing something contradicting themselves by the end of the week.

I don't think IW is the best advertisement for TS in women's spaces either. They way they behaved on cbb knowing the cameras were on them, was appalling.

Why does India's twitter pic look like she's a 20 year old? Excuse me dear, but you are in your 50s!

Reality and India don't seem to go hand in hand.

And her disgusting behaviour on CBB will not be forgotten.

IW doesn’t have a GRC anyway (said it would be like carrying a Star of David in ones handbag) so I don’t understand IW’s issue with the legalities of how it’s done. As a refusenik IW certainly has a real want to keep people out of a club IW isn’t even in.

I seem to remember the last time India publicly wanted to grade trans people in terms of their authenticity as women, was right after another transwomen discredited the whole movement? Although I can't remember who.

I'm sure there was a thread about it on here. And the general feeling was they were trying to distance themselves from the 'less credible' transwomen.

It would be funny if it wasn't so insulting.

I actually think the whole discussion (apart from the 'puberty blockers don's cause harm, rubbish), was really positive. We had a Dr on the side of caution and common sense!