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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Any Questions - Germaine Greer

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Househelp123 · 03/08/2018 20:43

Just covering a self-Id question.

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BirthCanal · 04/08/2018 16:32

Exactly vesuvias they can't have it both ways. And they are trying to dispense with the term transexual which clearly used to describe the people who do have a psychological illness and have gender dysphoria

Ereshkigal · 04/08/2018 16:32

^Barry Gardiner said "These are real psychological issues for many people".
Is he saying that transgender people are mentally ill?^

To be honest most people do think this, although people cleverer than this guy know they can't say it.

BirthCanal · 04/08/2018 16:39

To be honest much as I respect GG I am not sure that she has the necessary up to the minute knowledge of what is happening at the cutting edge any more. That is so sorely needed in arguments like this not just common sense clever remarks about dogs which she has said before. Someone mentioning JB for example.

vesuvia · 04/08/2018 16:55

The question was "Should we now teach our children that girls can be boys and boys can be girls and both men and women can have babies", so I think the question was aimed more at the idea of changing sex, not explicitly about self-identification of gender identity.

I think Germaine Greer was the only member of the panel who came anywhere near to answering the question.

Germaine Greer said "I believe that sex is real. I believe that you're born a boy or a girl, if you want to use those terms, and you've got lots of things that you have to deal with, especially if you're a girl, but also if you're a boy; and you may find that the way that your role is set up in society doesn't suit you at all. You may really want to be called a different name, you may really want to live a different life. You want to chose another role. Now, you've always been able to be a boyish girl or a girlish boy. Now, suddenly, if you are a boyish girl, you're being encouraged to think you're actually a boy which, as far as I'm concerned, is a mistake".

The other panel members mentioned: we now accept homosexual people and gay marriage, people trapped in an alien body, we are all people, people can change sex, we must move on, moral panic, Donald Trump etc.

Latinista · 04/08/2018 17:54

Matthew Goodwin was wrong when he said that however a person wants to identify is up to them. It’s also up to the group with which they want to identify, if they want to share spaces which are segregated for reasons of protection. Gardiner’s homosexual analogy was also fallacious - homosexuals never insisted that they were heterosexual or demanded rights that eroded those of others.

TheCountryGirl · 04/08/2018 18:15

Matthew Goodwin was wrong when he said that however a person wants to identify is up to them. It’s also up to the group with which they want to identify, if they want to share spaces which are segregated for reasons of protection.

I couldn't agree more. Has he forgotten the reason Rachel Dolezal was so castigated? It was because a member of the OPPRESSING class cannot identify into the OPPRESSED class! It is disgustingly offensive for everyone in the oppressed class to have a member of the group that causes them untold suffering IDENTIFYING as them.

Why they cannot see the parallels is beyond me. Actually it isn't...he like most other men just don't give a fuck about women.

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