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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender upskirting

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babygoatsmummy · 01/08/2018 09:25

I've just come across this article locally

www-hulldailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/transgender-dads-anger-hes-victim-1847144.amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hulldailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fhull-east-yorkshire-news%2Ftransgender-dads-anger-hes-victim-1847144

Surely this is what women have put up with for ever, including being silenced and told they are ridiculous for making a fuss. I'm not sure why, but this article made me a little cross. This shouldn't have happened, clearly, but it shouldn't happen to anyone.

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Wrybread · 01/08/2018 09:41

I can understand their outrage though. When you've been socialised as a man and have lived with male privilege for most of your life, suddenly being thrust into the normal experience of women may be a horrible shock.

I wonder if this is why some transwomen feel that they are bigger victims; because they didn't expect to lose some of that privilege.

Females are discriminated against constantly. We have to be vigilant about what we wear and where we go and how we travel because so many of us have been subject to sexual aggression or assault, throughout our lives.

When we raise the low level harassment and discrimination, others often downplay and minimise it. Which reinforces the feeling that we are not truly safe. When conviction rates for rape and sexual assaults are so low, we understand that even when the worst happens, we are unlikely to be believed, or to see justice.

Yes, I can see that they would be a shock for transwomen.

But that's part of what it means to be viewed as a woman in our society. And unfortunately females can't choose to identify out of it.

multivac · 01/08/2018 09:45

They aren't a transwoman, wry - they are a transman. Your point - 'females can't choose to identify out of it' stands. But for a different, and perhaps even more saddening, reason.

Echobelly · 01/08/2018 09:46

@Wrybread - the person it happened to was a trans man in a kilt.

I guess it's somewhat different to the motives of usual upskirting if the perpetrators knew he was trans,

Wrybread · 01/08/2018 09:53

Oops....I didn't read it properly Blush

After I posted I did think that actually Scots men would understand the up skirting thing because it's happened before. Doesn't make it ok.

So actually, if they have lived with female socialisation, that must have been a shock if they thought being a transman would stop some of that.

All sexual harassment and abuse is wrong no matter who it's happening to.

It's often seen as a joke when it happens to a man. People think it's funny to do it to men in kilts. But it's not.

terfinginthevoid · 01/08/2018 10:01

Its not clear to me what c* stands for, so I'm not sure whether the upskirters were aware he was female, or if they just thought he was a bloke in a kilt.
Idiots have been harassing men in kilts like this for years - agree with wrybread it isn't funny, but its nothing to do with trans.

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