Excellent economist article on how trans rights are trampling all over women

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www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/05/trans-rights-should-not-come-at-the-cost-of-womens-fragile-gains

I don't think the content will be new to anyone on here but having it here, in mainstream media, described clearly can surely only be a good thing

Sorry thought links auto linked
www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/05/trans-rights-should-not-come-at-the-cost-of-womens-fragile-gains

Excellent article.

Wow. “The word is misogyny.”

Off to look at the other articles in the series...

It's a really good series. A proper range of voices. Like an actual debate.

Wow! I had been beginning to feel quite despondent. I really dont think most gwneral public realise that if we are redefining women to include transwomen what that really does lead to - and no way to talk about born woman as opposed to born men at all... men where girls change etc etc... im getting scared its all a done deal *esp see city consiltation where trans academic/citu of lomdon are running it. It makes me suspicious of those in power.
Once women is redefined can there ever be come.back!?

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/03/gender-identity-needs-to-be-based-on-objective-evidence-rather-than-feelings

I just read this one. Debbie Hayton, a trans woman and teacher who asserts that biologically speaking trans women are not women
The only objective measure that remains for dividing humanity in two is biological sex—that is, our role or potential role in the reproduction of our species.

Trans people have to live in the real world, where people do not need tortuous language to distinguish between men and women, and the key evidence is not what's in our heads but what's between our legs.
This^^

Oh and she ends on I am not female and I know that I cannot become female, but I can and do live in a way analogous to the way that women live. I make no claims I cannot justify and my life is better for it.

I think it is quite fairly written. I'd be really interested in her views on the social contagion aspect in schools.

Also the original article OP posted is really clear. Going to save that for passing on to people.

Thanks for the link, what a great article.

There have been some really good and heartening articles recently. The need sharing everywhere!

Woah, that is a really good article, it covers so much!

Thanks language, will read that tomorrow

Several of my Fb friends have been sharing Observer articles on this topic. Although some have also been sharing the Stonewall call out to trans and allies to respond to the GRA consultation.
My circle of friends are politically aware but we're a fairly middle aged, middle of the road demographic, this issue is becoming much more widely seen.

And this from a news outlet that is often lambasted as being left/liberal. Then again that may be true economically, doesn't mean politically, necessarily. As a student I had a subscription to The Economist, always thought they usually write sensible stuff.

I always saw the Economist as generally right of centre at the very least - though as the world moves to the right it looks more centrist.
I agree it's an interesting series.

"Oh and she ends on I am not female and I know that I cannot become female, but I can and do live in a way analogous to the way that women live. I make no claims I cannot justify and my life is better for it. "

I read a lot on this topic but am still far from an expert, so maybe someone can weight in. But it sounds very much to me like she is a true transsexual. Does her best to "live like a woman", but acknowledges the limitations and does not believe in gender identity ideology. Whereas most transgender males suffer from AGP and need to actually be women, rather just live like women, and this need requires validation from others and often comes hand in hand with misogyny and promoting gender identity ideology.

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I don't know, maybe I was discussing too much with Americans, they seemed to think it was too left.

That is an excellent article. It neatly sums up some of the key issues.

Yes, excellent piece, by Sarah Ditum.
GC feminists have to get published in the most unlikely of places these days.

Interested to look through the rest of the series:
www.economist.com/open-future/2018/06/29/transgender-identities-a-series-of-invited-essays

I've just scanned the rest of the series and some really useful writing in there, made me think a lot.

I wish I could actually understand what gender identity 'is', how people separate their physical reality from their personality down to their 'gender identity'. What should I be doing to 'feel' like a woman? I am one. I just am.

The other thread seems to be trauma or stress or abuse or mental health issues whilst growing up. But again this is a chicken & egg situation really isn't it, but it drives home the immense harm that gender stereotyping and toxic masculinity is doing to our society. How do we turn this tanker around?