Why do they want to silence us?

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Why are there so many posters these days trying to interrupt our threads, derail our arguments and generally shut us up?

Maybe they are scared by our coherent arguments; or jealous of our ability to get along?

In the future, all womens conversations will be monitored by one bepenised person. Wrongthink will be reported.

I fear so Upstart, but I feel they fear us.

Hate. Sport. A lack of purpose.

The one thing they all seem to have in common is underestimating the women on MN. I want an analysis of NI and Brexit, or the Malaysian airplane crash? I come here. This place is full of geniuses.

Because they are jealous of us and hate us in turn.

Misogynists have taken control or closed down almost every other place women gather, both in the material world and in cyberspace.
Evey time one gathering place comes to their attention they brigade it in hopes of destroying it.
Several Transgender advocates have clearly stated they want to shut Mumsnet down entirely. Women sharing information frightens men.
Women have been challenging male dominance for time out of mind and men have been trying to silence us for just as long.

Its just about control.

In a conversation about what rights don't you have, theres never a straight answer because the one they are really after is the right to control women.

That simple. Don't lose sight of it.

I've said this elsewhere - the truth is that our philosophy directly threatens their entire world-view. They say that sex doesn't matter. We say it does.
Obviously sex is real, and matters.
Therefore feminists will always be targeted, because anyone who contradicts the ideology of "self-ID" will need to be gotten rid of. It's trans-activist's greatest fear - that anyone will question their subjective "truth."
When your claim is "I am what I say I am because I say so" the only way to provide any proof for that statement is by having other people agree with you. They are therefore ravenous for outside validation, and seriously depend on it. Trans activists know that sex cannot be ignored. Trans activists know that "cis" and "trans" people cannot ever be the same. However, they will keep denying this fact for political purposes.Therefore they have to harshly police dissenters in order to validate their identities.
It will not stop until trans-activists affirm the truth of biological sex.

I want an analysis of NI and Brexit, or the Malaysian airplane crash? I come here. This place is full of geniuses.

YY!

Freedom of speech isn’t dangerous. Unless you believe people are weak-minded and/or you’re scared of debate.

In a conversation about what rights don't you have, theres never a straight answer because the one they are really after is the right to control women.

This.

I’ve said it before but this whole trans thing reminds me of the Emperor’s new clothes. We know it’s not the truth but no one dare speak out of line

Trans ideology demsnds that women.accept transwomen as women just like we are. When we assert our boundaries and point out that transwomen are male they interpret this as denying their very existence, whereas what we're saying is that, of course, transwomen exist but that they aren't women.

Nothing wrong with being trans. Feminists are only too pleased when people are gender non conforming. Wear what you like, change your name, get body modifications. But it doesn't make you a woman. And it doesn't give you the right to access woman only spaces. Because you're male.

Some TRAs think that womanhood is some sort of club that feminists are excluding them from, not registering that the state of being a woman is neither a costume nor an identity, but material reality.

Which sex you are is fixed at conception and it can not be changed. What they are never able to realize is that woman is not an empty category they can just invade and colonize. Acting as if it were displays the poisonous misogyny that underpins their assumptions.

Some TRAs think that womanhood is some sort of club that feminists are excluding them from, not registering that the state of being a woman is neither a costume nor an identity, but material reality.

Which sex you are is fixed at conception and it can not be changed. What they are never able to realize is that woman is not an empty category they can just invade and colonize. Acting as if it were displays the poisonous misogyny that underpins their assumptions.

Exactly.

Some online trolls get sadistic pleasure and who knows what else from crossing women's boundaries and causing distress - they get a rise from negative attention

Women talking and assembling without men has been a threat since time immemorial.

We have an assemblage of intelligent, witty, knowledgeable posters here with great critical thinking and a range of skills - law, sociology, science, medics, etc.

We are naturally committed to women’s right and child safety because of our demographic.

We have numbers - plenty of financial clout in terms of purchasing power within the family (70% of family spending?)

And we are right. And all we are doing is exposing an idea to light. If I was campaigning for something I’d be delighted if it got into the public sphere. If a group isn’t delighted, or cannot express their aims in a way that means the public can see and be happy with them, then we must accept the possibility that their aims are not whatcthe public actually wants.

Oh and the numbers accessing MN via this board have gone up twelvefold since 2016.

That’s a lot of lurkers reading, understanding...

Women talking and assembling without men has been a threat since time immemorial
The one thing they all seem to have in common is underestimating the women on MN. I want an analysis of NI and Brexit, or the Malaysian airplane crash? I come here
In a conversation about what rights don't you have, theres never a straight answer because the one they are really after is the right to control women.

All of the above. Bloody brilliant women on here.

In a conversation about what rights don't you have, theres never a straight answer because the one they are really after is the right to control women.

Exactly. Which is why FWR is such a threat. Women speaking outwith male supervision cannot be allowed.

Refusal to conform, and the constant sharing of really inconvenient information, perspectives, evidence and facts, which makes other people go … hang on a minute, that can't be a good idea. And we keep on doing this even after they told us not to .

Women talking together (and supporting each other in non conforming and anti patriarchal views) has been a crime since before the Romans. I think the figure is 13 million women burned in Europe and North America for being insufficiently obedient to the patriarchy, who were known at the time as witches. The site in my town where men burned such women is still there today.

This lurk would also like to add her thanks to all the brilliant women here.

I thought all this wasn't a big deal until I read about the assault on Maria MacLachlan, then some comment on a 'feminist' site about 'the transphobes over at Mumsnet'. Mumsnet, w-ha-a-a-t?

You give me hope.

Oh, and Shon Faye’s ‘enjoy ur erasure’ comment gave me the chills.

May 2018 NewStatesman Glosswitch article:
"The demonisation of Mumsnet is just the latest incarnation of witch-hunting
Naturally, it frightens people to think of what a group of mothers might actually demand."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/feminism/2018/05/demonisation-mumsnet-just-latest-incarnation-witch-hunting

Honestly? Because we're having an impact. It is imperative to them that this space is removed, because it is public, it is populated by articulate and educated women who are persistent and determined - many of us with liberal leanings and skin in the game because of friends or family.

We irritate and possibly scare the shit out of them, so we get the full arsenal. Which is mostly tantrums and meaningless bullshit at the moment, but I've no doubt whatsoever they will employ whatever means necessary.

Oh and the numbers accessing MN via this board have gone up twelvefold since 2016

Many women have shyed away from Twitter as it is such a horribly aggressive environment. But here and the comments sections of newspaper articles are incredibly useful places for getting our points across to a wider cross section of society. We need to get more men talking out in defence of our valid concerns.