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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Feminism in 2018!

49 replies

Oojavert · 27/07/2018 14:58

What does it mean to be a feminist in 2018? I would love to hear what being a feminist means to you personally and how this has evolved with the times. I know there are a lot of different views on this website and this post is not to inspire arguement! I just want to hear what progressive feminism feels for all of you.

Personally, being a feminist nowadays has definitely evolved over time. For me, I used to be obsessed with all the ‘normal’ issues like abortion, the patriarchy and tampon tax etc. but have now expanded my views to include LGBTQ+ issues and include people of colour in my narrative.

How about you?

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PositivelyPERF · 28/07/2018 22:37

So sorry RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime, I misunderstood your post and thought you were being sarcastic to feminists. Scundered. 🤭

LangCleg · 28/07/2018 22:38

My feminism is mostly about telling men to fuck off when they're (individually or collectively) being wankers.

I like to keep it simple.

thebewilderness · 28/07/2018 22:39

Given the number of vigorously pursued disputes between lesbians and heterosexual women in feminist organizations, as well as the disputes between Feminists and womanists, I am always rather bemused by this particular accusation on a so called Feminist site.
I understand why history has been rewritten to exclude Asian, Middle Eastern, and Black women and Lesbians from Feminist history.
Same reason they have been written out of what is now called LGBT history. Misogyny.
Dale Spender wrote a book about it called Women of Ideas, and what Men Have Done to Them.

thebewilderness · 28/07/2018 22:43

No I'm not, and my post is quite clear so I'm not sure why you think that.

If it were clear who you were talking to surely someone would have understood you.

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 28/07/2018 22:43

PositivelyPERF that's ok, I did get a bit of a jump at being called racist and homophobic but I thought you must have not taken it as I meant (maybe it wasn't as clear as I thought!)

I am very sarcastic, just not to feminists (except for the 3rd wave ones)

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 28/07/2018 22:46

thebewilderness if it's your first post on a thread and you say 'you', it should be assumed you're talking to the OP unless stated otherwise.

Anyway my comment was asking why feminism wouldn't include all women, so it didn't even matter who I was talking to.

thebewilderness · 28/07/2018 22:48

Maybe you can get the mods to write that into the rules, Rubbish.

In the meanwhile it is the commenters job to be clear who they are addressing unless they are addressing everyone in general, not the readers job to puzzle out who a comment was directed at.

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime · 28/07/2018 22:56

How could the 'you' have been addressing everyone when everyone had made different comments?
And why would you not just assume I was talking to the OP? Who else did you think I was talking to?
It's basic comprehension, not forum rules.

And again, it didn't even matter - my question was why anyone's version of feminism (such as the version the OP described having had) wouldn't always have included all women.

What is your problem exactly?

thebewilderness · 28/07/2018 23:00

What is your problem exactly?
People who derail threads by making it all about them.

REOLay · 28/07/2018 23:37

What's a womanist?

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/07/2018 23:53

It was clear to me that "you " in RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTimes and similarly NotMeOhNo's post which was also picked up on , was addressing the OP, not other posters or a general "you". If anyone is derailing the thread and making it about themselves it is the posters who chose to take these posts as being addressed to them.

RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTime's point is valid- if the OP thought she was a feminist why should it be a revelation that woc and lesbians are also affected by the issues she thinks are pertinent?

NotMeOhNo · 28/07/2018 23:54

Sorry bewilderness I was addressing the OP.

LassWiADelicateAir · 28/07/2018 23:55

NotMeOhNo it was obvious you were adressing the OP.

thebewilderness · 29/07/2018 00:03

NotMeOhNo

Thanks. I get mixed up sometimes.

thebewilderness · 29/07/2018 00:04

REOLay Sat 28-Jul-18 23:37:34

What's a womanist?
What some black women's organizations call their movement instead of Feminism.

NotMeOhNo · 29/07/2018 00:08

I have found that there have been a lot of libfemmy "I've seen the light" prostrations and self-flagellations on social media from people who were unaware of how deep racism goes. Then they go back to doing nothing, continuing to live their charmed middle class lives and talking about where to buy the cheapest baby clothes...

NotMeOhNo · 29/07/2018 00:11

Lass I should include names at the start of my posts more frequently. I usually post while breastfeeding with one hand so tend to be terse and perhaps ill considered.

BirthCanal · 29/07/2018 00:29

God this thread is so confusing. Going to visit another one.

LassWiADelicateAir · 29/07/2018 00:35

NotMeOhNo there was nothing wrong with your post.

BlackForestCake · 30/07/2018 00:42

I'd already known that the feminist movement was divided over the trans issue but it was only then that I began to understand how totally feminism is being destroyed. Liberal feminism is a mess, it's a shell of what feminism is supposed to be; it has lost sight of its central goal, sexual equality.

This is complete accurate, and the same thing has happened to the left.

AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF TRANS IDEOLOGY. It exists in order to divide, disorient and confuse the left and the women's movement.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 30/07/2018 00:44

My feminism hasn't changed. The world around me has though.

My concerns remain the same. The wolf just wears different clothes.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 30/07/2018 00:48

My feminism would only have changed if I misunderstood what it was in the first place.

Which I didn't.

ILikeyourHairyHands · 30/07/2018 01:14

And you have to understand that, as a woman, many of the inroads we've been sold as progress and equality have been a fucking dupe.

The pill and sexual emancipation?

Of course control over one's fertility is fantastic, brilliant, but there is no need to take a break whilst taking the pill. It was just thought that women 'would feel more natural to do that. And of course talking hormonal contraception has no side effects ever. One of which, for many women is, perversely, lack of fucking libido, anyway, moving on, hoorah! We are now available for sex whenever, even if we don't feel like it and are rendered sexless by our daily tablet.

Win- Women- +1, men - +1 , women -1.

Net gain = 0

Women can't get mortgages in their name, so joint mortgages are brought in, GREAT, we can now apply for mortgages in two salaries. Brilliant. House prices consequently gradually creep up and then rocket. Hmm. But women's salaries are not equal with men's so one of two things happen, it now takes two salaries to get a mortgage so both partners have to work, it's much harder for women to be sole property owners than men.

Win - Men -0, women - -1,

Net gain - women lose.

As a result of all of this, sexual emancipation is driven by male desires, it started with sexual freedom, moved on to availability and then went back to the default (Which never left), of women as objects to be desired.

And we haven't left the biological constraints that mean, on the whole, we earn less than men.

Men still rape, are still violent. Still inform policy by and large.

Nothing has really changed.

It's just we have a knew a whizzy breed of misogyny that actually claim to be women.

So we can't even have our biology now.

Whoop. 2018.

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 30/07/2018 15:10

It was clear to me that "you " in RubbishRobotFromTheDawnOfTimes and similarly NotMeOhNo's post which was also picked up on , was addressing the OP, not other posters or a general "you". If anyone is derailing the thread and making it about themselves it is the posters who chose to take these posts as being addressed to them.

Yes, I agree. The posts wouldn't have even made sense otherwise. And perfectly answered the Op's question.

My posts has been deleted upthread for "transphobia" despite really not being transphobic. Confused

Transgender AMAB people are the ones who are shouting at me loudest at the moment about female spaces. Am I not allowed to acknowledge that? The point is that it has always been people with penises who have been in charge and decided what was acceptable for women to say and do.

Nothing has changed.

Otherwise, abortion and the right for a woman to control her own fertility have always been my number one concern as a feminist. There is always someone trying to claw that back so it's as important today as it always has been. Everything else can only happen if a woman has control of her body.

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