Parents who won't 'affirm' 8 yr old gender change being referred to social services

[Wanderabout]

This is really, really disturbing:
mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022394312556990465

This isn't sensible NHS doctors who are training or advising professionals to do this, based on firm evidence.

This is adult transactivists such as this transwoman:

mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022397462114443265

Hasn't Tara Hewitt also been attacking the NHS GIDS clinic currently, for trying to have an evidence-based discussion?

Damn right, Bespin. Anyone who thinks that manipulating parents and GNC children down the path to confusion and medication and worse is a brave and noble thing really should be reported to someone, shouldn't they?

Give over, bespin.

Are you seriously arguing that it's a good thing that children are taken into care because their parents aren't pursuing one specified medical course of action for their distressed and unhappy children?

Because that's pretty far out.

But where is the proof that children aged 8 are being taken into care for this reason?

My daughter went to university 13/15 (yes, that one) and was very friendly with bronies (who are apparently harmless). One day I said something about those identifying as female but retaining tackle and lesbians from a totally practical point of view, not being au fait with any of the ideology, and got shot down. We cannot discuss anything like this any more (this is someone who did biology, although not a biologist so should know something (confused). We do, however, talk about things like domestic abuse, CSE safeguarding etc (which she is very interested in) and one day I am hoping that with life experience added, connections will be made. But this ideology seems to have been firmly entrenched in certain parts of certain institutions well before that, and those people are now out there willing to work in areas putting it about.

Brainwashing at it's finest.
Uni is supposed to be a time of questioning and more questioning - and debating.
and more importantly Free Speech.

Something has gone drastically wrong that even our young people at uni level are blindly accepting something, without examining and debating all the ramifications.

Bespin, nice try at derailing the thread.

The trans situation is unusual in such one sided pressure being put on health professionals to promote a particular view of gender and transsexuality and particular treatments and with objective research being opposed.
I can't think of another field of medicine where the patient group has so much influence.

It's good to hear the views of health care professionals.

Evidence, anybody?

hold no its a serious question if someone feels that a safegurding issue is taking place they have a duty to report it even if that turns out not to be the case. yet no one on here is going on to say I reported my concerns to the appropriate people and they are being investigated all they are doing is saying I think this. if I felt for one second someone trans or not was doing some of the things posted on here I would report them to safegurding. so I'm amazed people have not done that.

Interesting article about the process of social contagion with regards bulimia nervosa.
'The Strange, Contagious History of Bulimia'
By
Lee Daniel

"The theory of media’s culpability in the spread of social contagions is not a new one. Psychologists studying the developmental psychopathology of eating disorders have led dozens of controlled experiments finding a near-perfect link between mass media and eating disorder symptoms. The question in my mind now isn’t whether media have a part to play in replicating social contagions; if we were able to purge ourselves of certain conduits of influence like media itself, we might have an easier time stopping transmission. Rather, I question just how big a part media actually play in spreading them."
www.thecut.com/article/how-bulimia-became-a-medical-diagnosis.html

Kravetz is the author of 'Strange Contagion: Inside the Surprising Science of Infectious Behaviors and Viral Emotions and What They Tell Us About Ourselves'

apologies, article above written by Lee Daniel Kravetz

Interesting article R0wantrees.

This discussion sounds familiar.

“It makes you wonder if maybe bulimia wasn’t a new eating disorder, that it was always there and people just didn’t notice it or talk about it before your paper came out,” I offer.

Russell demurs politely. If the hidden afflicted numbered as overwhelmingly high as they now seem, surely the condition would have made itself known well before he — or anyone, for that matter — identified it. “You might suggest it required somebody to come along and put two and two together before people felt safe talking about bulimia, but I don’t believe that.

“Until then,” he continued, “the disorder was extremely rare. But after 1980, it became widespread in a very short period of time. Once it was described, and I take full responsibility for that with my paper, there was a common language for it. And knowledge spreads very quickly.”

Yes OldCRone I'm sorry though for a slight derail- I had meant to post it on the thread about ROGD and schools.
There are a lot of overlaps between the two threads.

Cutting is a behaviour which I believe has a social contagion element. I have no links at all on this but I think it used to be far rarer. A child I know began this self harm behaviour after a session to school which mentioned it.

The social contagion risks for vulnerable people with regards self-harming behaviours are well established and recognised.

They underpin the Samaritans' guidance for media reportings of suicide.

www.samaritans.org/media-centre/media-guidelines-reporting-suicide/best-practice-suicide-reporting-tips

I'm a cp sw. I'm not seeing anything different down here but we did get sent a ropey article the other day. I will not be supporting the 'transitioning' of a minor though

Cutting was unheard of in my youth. Now it's very common. Both DS2 and his girlfriend have a history of self harm. He had a potentially life limiting illness and her family were abusive. Cutting themselves was what troubled young people often did. They're in their early 20s.

When I was a teenager it was anorexia and class A drugs, and sometimes both. The young, particularly in affluent societies, have often suffered great angst. How they express that angst changes from generation to generation.

In the case of gender identity, the fact that, once medication is started, the young people affected are being steered into a future of sterility, no or diminished sexual function or pleasure, and lifelong consumption of strong drugs with lots of serious side effects leads me to think that this is one of the worst manifestations.

My DS and his girlfriend, like other young people I know, have recovered from cutting and now have nothing more damaging than scarring of their arms and/or legs to affect their futures. The same is not true for many, maybe most, detransioners.

YY Prawn. I'm of the generation where anorexia was the chosen method of self-harm for teens. The next generation on (when I was a young lecturer in the 90s) went for cutting. Now we have ROGD.

I hope that pointing out that all of these are forms of self harm doesn't sound flippant or victim-blaming - it's not meant to be. I honestly thing we need a more Laingian approach to a lot of mental health issues - the problem is not the individual, but society. So hit by the cognitive dissonance that comes from entering puberty as a girl and realising that while you thought all along that you were a human being, society now sees you as a disposable sex object, all your rage and confusion and fear has to go somewhere - and that somewhere is inwards, against yourself. But the form the rage takes is socially malleable and varies from one decade to another.

I honestly thing we need a more Laingian approach to a lot of mental health issues - the problem is not the individual, but society.

Massive YES to this. Laing’s work seems a bit out of fashion but it’s always seemed uncomfortably close to the truth to me

(I PMd you but I don’t think it sent...)

No PM :-(

YY Prawn. I'm of the generation where anorexia was the chosen method of self-harm for teens. The next generation on (when I was a young lecturer in the 90s) went for cutting. Now we have ROGD.

THANK YOU, I'm glad I'm not the only one to have connected the dots on this (I was beginning to think I was going daft). At the start of my working life I was in touch with many CAMHS practitioners and visiting secure units regularly. At that time fully half of the patients they saw in my study area were anorexics, but they were already starting to be concerned about the rise in self-harm (and I had to screen out both as part of my study). I've been around on the internet for a very long time and saw that rise myself even after I'd stopped working in mental health - younger people were coming online and learning about what was usually only seen in the severely depressed. Even I danced around the edges of it; even with all the information I had in front of me and being into my twenties - a difficult patch of life had me very carefully wondering if hurting myself was the answer. It was madly seductive, even with my incredibly messed-up, scarred for life best friend right in front of me. I went on to explore lots of other things - different sexualities and fetishes, alternative religions and so on. I had time to find out who I really was, and I mostly did it through reading and talking. YouTube wasn't much of a thing, neither was Instagram - these very visual media make things much more immediate. I think now kids have enormous pressure to build their "brand" from the moment they get a phone. Now I work with kids and I see 8yos building that brand.

I don't recall precisely when I first detected "trans-creep" - the idea that a nod must always be made to trans identity in the name of inclusivity - but I see it everywhere now, particularly in the Young Adult book trade. In most cases it's not malicious, it's a genuine desire to reach all those lost and lonely kids, but it's made from a position of ignorance. Lesbian and bisexual fiction for teens is tough to find in the UK and usually conflated with gnc or trans ideas.

This therapist says she has spoken to several parents in Europe who have had their children taken away from them for not affirming:

mobile.twitter.com/SashaLPC/status/1022549171000287232

Yhreadreader version of Transgender Trend's twitter thread of parental descriptions and experiences:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1022884731476746240.html

Really interesting and worrying thread.
Nationally rates of serious self harm are increasing in children age 10-14 and decreasing in 20-24. Do you think it's related to children getting on social media from a younger age?

Do you think it's related to children getting on social media from a younger age?

Zuckerberg/ Gates etc don't allow their kids access to the net until their late teens - there's a reason for that - the net is now weaponised to deliberately make people anxious because they are easily manipulated when undermined - just as in coercive control. They can then be recruited/ groomed to buy more or for an ideology or into being sex trafficked -or /and

So yes is the answer to your question. The net enables male violence and grooms the trusting - on a mass scale- and money and exploitation is behind it all

Type 'Am I Transgender?' into YouTube search.

Many of the more popular results relate to young F2M.

Common statement, 'If you're asking the question, you probably are'