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Parents who won't 'affirm' 8 yr old gender change being referred to social services

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Wanderabout · 26/07/2018 09:39

This is really, really disturbing:
mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022394312556990465

This isn't sensible NHS doctors who are training or advising professionals to do this, based on firm evidence.

This is adult transactivists such as this transwoman:

mobile.twitter.com/cwknews/status/1022397462114443265

Hasn't Tara Hewitt also been attacking the NHS GIDS clinic currently, for trying to have an evidence-based discussion?

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intheparcark · 26/07/2018 11:20

I was rubbing shoulders with TRAs who were in SW and related fields who were there deliberately to make sure that children who in any way identified with trans anything were referred for treatment and/or parents referred to CP

This is truly horrific.

ProfessionalsHaveFII · 26/07/2018 11:20

The professionals involved display FII (fabricated induced injury) behaviour! I guess using the gender cloak they will continue with the misogynistic myth it's a female thing!

intheparcark · 26/07/2018 11:22

These people were activists so doing more in that line. But a couple were heading towards CP fields (studying) and I strongly suspect that if employed there they would have an agenda because they were quite explicit re this being what they wanted.

Once again, truly horrifying that activists are trying to enter Child Protection fields.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/07/2018 11:22

If you couple the training of professionals to threaten a social worker if parents will not affirm their child is the opposite sex on the young child's say so with the following, you get a very concerning picture

Add to this the silencing of academic debate and of academics and the culture of fear on campuses where 'no platforming' rules and where even senior managers are buying the 'diversity' line and enforcing it on teaching and research staff.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/07/2018 11:23

Once again, truly horrifying that activists are trying to enter Child Protection fields

Yes.

intheparcark · 26/07/2018 11:26

Their friend had Mermaids come to give a talk at their daughter's school. Following this their daughter decided she was a boy.

If I were a Head Teacher I would absolutely ban organizations such as Mermaids coming anywhere near my school.
Children need protecting from radicalization and to my mind, what is happening falls under radicalization.

It's laughable,
Schools are shit hot on safeguarding in every other area, but are letting children down badly by exposing their young impressionable minds to all this nonsense.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 11:28

JAnuary 2018 Times article by Sian Griffiths, Education Editor:

'Schools rushing ‘on whisper’ to label pupils as transgender
A psychologist at the only NHS gender clinic for children in England says some may be making choices they could regret'

(extract)
'Children as young as 11 are being offered medical treatments that could leave some infertile, according to a psychologist at the only NHS clinic in England and Wales for children seeking to change their gender.

Bernadette Wren, consultant clinical psychologist at the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) clinic in London, said some schools were moving too fast in allowing young girls to be treated as male pupils and vice versa — simply at the child’s request.

She said schools were rushing to allow pupils to change their names, uniforms and gender pronouns as soon as they “got a whisper that a child might be querying their identity” and this was not in every child’s best interests.

The GIDS clinic is part of the Tavistock and Portland trust in London which has pioneered medical treatment for young transgender people but is now being overwhelmed by referrals.

In nine months last year more than 2,000 children were referred by GPs, schools and support groups to GIDS, the only NHS clinic offering medical treatments such as hormones to suppress puberty and cross-sex hormones to develop different sexual characteristics. (continues)

The figure is a 20-fold increase in seven years — in 2009 it was 97. Last year’s figures included two three-year-olds, nine four-year-olds, 21 five-year-olds and 23 six-year-olds. Some are being offered treatments not accessible in the past and for which there is no long-term research data available about risks.

Wren said future generations might condemn the way such children were being handled: “Of course you have to think that in another generation we will have done something which is not regarded as having been wise.” She also acknowledged that some youngsters could regret their decision to change gender when they grow up and that there were risks involved, including the loss of the ability to have children, particularly for those born as boys.

“Perhaps the choices they make when they are 16 look different when they are 30,” said Wren, speaking in advance of a conference next month about improving support for children who question their gender. “You can accept their feeling about gender difference but you do have to say alongside that — and without being transphobic — that there are really difficult treatment choices to be made." (continues)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/schools-rushing-on-whisper-to-label-pupils-as-transgender-0d8zm53qs

Wanderabout · 26/07/2018 11:28

I wonder what happened in14/15 to cause that pronounced upturn?

You know what would be a really interesting study? To look at which schools and classes/age groups were trained by trans lobby orgs. To then look at numbers of trans pupils/GIDS referrals from those schools vs others.

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intheparcark · 26/07/2018 11:31

Senior managers are buying the 'diversity' line and enforcing it on teaching and research staff.

I expect teachers' hands are tied. They fear for their jobs if they speak out to try and protect the children.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 11:32

Recent thread with contributions from many working in education:

OP imwideawake asked:
(extract)
"I wonder what Head Teachers, teachers (and anyone else involved in the nurturing and educating of our young people) are really thinking about the worrying way in which activists have turned their attention to children and have successfully infiltrated the school system, to the point they seem to be having having a very real and disturbing influence on young impressionable minds and their bodies.

What do they make of this mass bombardment of our children - encouraging children to go down the trans route, instead of leaving them be - to dress and behave how they want to, and to grow up with minimal interference to their minds and bodies.

The constant scaremongering of parents by so-called experts. The rolling out of dubious stats as a threat as to what might happen if the parents don't listen to the current advice.
Children taking hormone blockers when the long term effects haven't been properly tested.
Children being encouraged to mutilate their perfect bodies..." (continues)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301871-What-do-educators-make-of-what-is-happening-in-our-schools?

Bowlofbabelfish · 26/07/2018 11:44

Once again, truly horrifying that activists are trying to enter Child Protection fields

I am absolutely horrified by this.

MipMipMip · 26/07/2018 11:48

May i suggest you repost this in Chat? (I doubt MNHQ will move it). This is something a lot of patents will be interested in and unaware of - the realities anyway. And please include Rowantree's post with the January article. Scary.

enoughisenough12 · 26/07/2018 12:00

This is worth sharing with parents , teachers and social care professionals as an example of what happens when the trans ideology is allowed to impact on safeguarding professionals. The Judge in this case is scathing about how social workers failed to protect a child and left him with an abusive parent because they simply 'affirmed' his identity as a girl on the basis of his mother's disordered beliefs and ignored all concerns about him from other professionals. It makes chilling reading.
I always wonder whether any professionals were disciplined for choosing to ignoring so many safeguarding issues??

www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/2430.html

hatgirl · 26/07/2018 12:04

I was concerned to see this in June's edition of 'Professional Social Work' magazine produced by BASW.

I can imagine where the training materials are going to come from...

Parents who won't 'affirm' 8 yr old gender change being referred to social services
LangCleg · 26/07/2018 12:14

The parents had to leave the school because it went down the immediate unquestioning affirmation route with no independent medical advice or input.

How the eff is this happening?

Wholesale abandonment of Working Together. I just cannot believe my eyes.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 12:18

Important thread which has wide ranging discussions about the systemic failings / failures of child protection and safeguarding vulnerable people frameworks:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville

Melamin · 26/07/2018 12:28

I wonder what happened in14/15 to cause that pronounced upturn?

My daughter went to university 13/15 (yes, that one) and was very friendly with bronies (who are apparently harmless). One day I said something about those identifying as female but retaining tackle and lesbians from a totally practical point of view, not being au fait with any of the ideology, and got shot down. We cannot discuss anything like this any more (this is someone who did biology, although not a biologist so should know something (confused). We do, however, talk about things like domestic abuse, CSE safeguarding etc (which she is very interested in) and one day I am hoping that with life experience added, connections will be made. But this ideology seems to have been firmly entrenched in certain parts of certain institutions well before that, and those people are now out there willing to work in areas putting it about.

speakingwoman · 26/07/2018 12:44

From the judgmetn:

"Transgender equality has received a great deal of attention in recent times. I believe that in this case the profile and sensitivity of the matters raised by the mother blinded a number of professionals from applying their training, skills and, it has to be said, common sense. They failed properly to investigate M's assertions, in part I suspect, because they did not wish to appear to be challenging an emerging orthodoxy in such a high profile issue. "

enoughisenough12 · 26/07/2018 12:54

Indeed speakingwoman

The judgement really nails the reason why this child was not safeguarded by social care professionals. Just as the thousands of girls up and down the country have not been safeguarded because professionals were too frightened of being accused of being racist, accusations of being transphobic are having the same toxic reaction in relation to the safety of some children.

2rebecca · 26/07/2018 13:10

I've become increasingly concerned about this as a GP. I've only referred a couple of people to our gender clinics and both were of a Gillick competent age and very insistent at wanting referral. I didn't do much counselling or discussion myself thinking they'd get loads of that at the clinic.
I'm now concerned that clinics just go down the affirmation route with very little discussion of the disadvantages of being trans and exploring thoughts on sexual stereotyping, why they can't live the life they want and have the job and partner they want in their born sex etc and am thinking I'm going to have to book anyone wanting referral in the future a long appointment with me to discuss this stuff if no-one else is.
It does seem that anyone going on gender awareness courses just gets one sided brainwashing.

SnuggyBuggy · 26/07/2018 13:21

I think it gives a lot of these young people false hope that they will one day be taken seriously as a man/woman, very cruel.

R0wantrees · 26/07/2018 13:24

It does seem that anyone going on gender awareness courses just gets one sided brainwashing.

Gires 2014 Annual report & accounts:
www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/GIRES-Accounts-2014.pdf

(extract)
In the UK, GIRES has sought the adoption of those standards by serving on the intercollegiate committee, which has published the Good Practice Guidelines, and on the NHS England (NHSE) Clinical Reference Group, which is developing the specifications for gender identity services for adults. GIRES is also currently contributing to the improvement of the service specification for children and
adolescents. However, even as standards are improving, capacity within the NHSE specialist gender services for adults has not, overall, kept pace with the continuing growth in numbers. Waiting lists are often much more than a year and worsening. Financial pressures on NHSE are likely to restrict funding for additional capacity. In order to augment capacity and provide the required equity of access to services for gender nonconforming individuals who need treatment, NHSE may consider upskilling GPs so that the less specialist elements of care can be offered locally and more promptly in tandem with the specialist clinics. This would improve the mental health of the individuals who would otherwise be waiting for care and address the risks associated with their obtaining unsupervised hormone
medication via the internet. Gender treatments are not part of standard medical training in the UK. GIRES has therefore been working with professionals, trans service users and families to develop e-learning resources for:
 GPs, in collaboration with the Royal College of GPs (funded by GIRES): gires.org.uk/gender-variance
 School nurses, health visitors, Child & Adolescent Mental Health Services, teachers and other providers of care, as well as families, in collaboration with the Surrey and Borders Partnership NHS Foundation Trust
(funded by Health Education England): gires.org.uk/caring-for-gender-nonconforming-young-people

Datun · 26/07/2018 13:36

2rebecca

Your post has moved me, rather uncharacteristically.

It's such a relief when people who are in a position to gate keep see the problem for what it is.

VickyEadie · 26/07/2018 13:45

That this massive increase in children identifying as 'trans' is completely attributable to social contagion caused by internet access (I started teaching in 1980 and worked in a total of 6 secondary schools over 30 years; I knew a few probably/certainly gay kids in each school and not a single one with any suggestion of trans) + activist lobbying and promotion seems self-evident to me.

HOW are we allowing this to happen?

Wanderabout · 26/07/2018 14:16

Just found this rather prophetic article from 2 years ago: www.transgendertrend.com/uk-court-case-exposes-social-services-in-thrall-to-transgender-orthodoxy/

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