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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Man dresses as a woman to trick straight men into gay sex.

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SimonBridges · 25/07/2018 16:54

Porn site showed men 'tricked into gay sex' www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44952841

He posed as a woman to pick up the men.

Just to remind you that no man would ever dress as a woman to get sexual kicks or to trick their way into anything.

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rosablue · 25/07/2018 17:02

If a transwoman had done this (sounds like it was somebody dressing up not a trans individual) then it would be interesting to see what the victims and the legal service's view of it wouls be...

Would they see it as a woman and describe/charge on that basis or not? And would that be different to what they would be saying if this had happened to a natal woman - be they straight or gay?

HotRocker · 25/07/2018 17:09

But he did said he was a woman, so who are they to say he isn’t?
Is he one of those not a real transwomen?

HotRocker · 25/07/2018 17:12

Real transwomen meaning any man who claims he is a woman who isn’t subsequently charged with any sexual offences.
Being able to accurately predict the future being the only method of telling the difference in this case.

NameChangedAgain18 · 25/07/2018 17:13

Is she said she’s a woman, she’s a woman. #nodebate.

Isn’t that what we’re told?

SimonBridges · 25/07/2018 17:41

This is my point. This man doesn’t seem to be claiming that they are a transwoman at all. He was using woman as a disguise to trick men.

However the waters are muddied by the trans debate. He is not a transwoman but someone pretending to be a woman. We have been repeatedly told that no man would dress as a woman just to gain access to female safe spaces. Yet here is a man going for a much ‘harder’ target of straight men.

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placemats · 25/07/2018 17:55

What is tricking straight men when they read 'sexy cross dressing girl'?

I would have thought that was pretty explanatory when on a dating site.

This is the USA as well. Not the UK.

No doubting this man is a sexual predator though, including minors.

SimonBridges · 25/07/2018 17:59

What is tricking straight men when they read 'sexy cross dressing girl'?

He posted that he was a heterosexual woman when posting that he was looking for sex on Craigslist.
The ‘scary cross dressing girl’ comment was on his other social media profiles.

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HotRocker · 25/07/2018 18:00

He must be a special type of man if he passes well enough to trick straight men into sex. I mean there’s a few TW who pass quite convincingly, but you can still tell.

SimonBridges · 25/07/2018 18:02

I agree, how it managed to get as far as sex without the men questioning it I don’t know. Perhaps it was rape once he had go them through the door.

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placemats · 25/07/2018 18:03

Perhaps he used a different profile picture?

Because there is no way he passes. Not even with beer goggles on.

Lysistrataknowsherstuff · 25/07/2018 18:04

There already has been a woman convicted of sexual assaults for pretending to be a man to trick another woman into sex. I remember scratching my head at the time:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/nov/12/gayle-newland-sentenced-eight-years-prison-duping-friend-having-sex

Presumably under self-ID the victim would have no right to redress in law as she would legally be considered a man.

placemats · 25/07/2018 18:05

I don't mean to be flippant. It could be he targeted men of a certain age, demographic. He is still an appalling predator.

longtimelurkingtrans · 25/07/2018 18:28

Anyone who tricks another into a sex act or relationship should be charged. I'm upfront that I'm a trans woman before any date even though it is blatantly obvious i'm still male, It's just common courtesy.

borntobequiet · 25/07/2018 18:37

It’s weird that it’s being reported under technology, not normal news. Child porn using the internet - is that reported in a similar way?

SomeDyke · 25/07/2018 18:40

"Presumably under self-ID the victim would have no right to redress in law as she would legally be considered a man."
No, because the issue was the woman had consented to penetration with a penis, not a dildo.

In the other case, some similarities in that the man there covered the eyes of his victims (as in other case), and they thought they were having sex with a woman. Although I think in the US also charges since videos were taken and posted without permission as well.

But, yeah, this is kind of the crux of it. If you consent to being blindfolded and having someone you think/claims to be female give you a blow job, and they turn out to be male...............Will the courts decide it depends whether or not you asked them what sex they were, and what if you asked instead -- 'ere, you're not a bloke are you? If you assumed something about them based on their appearance versus what is a legally 'true' answer to 'are you a real woman/are you female/ etc etc'

Will the law have to define what 'are you a woman' means?

SimonBridges · 25/07/2018 19:25

I thought it odd that it was under tech news too. Had it been women or children that had been targeted then I think it would have been different.
I think this also shows how society views the rape or sexual assault of men.

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OlennasWimple · 25/07/2018 20:49

How transphobic of the BBC to describe this as gay sex, when obviously someone who identifies as a woman (even if only for the evening with their date) IS a woman and therefore Straight Man + Straight Woman = Hetero Sex

Just waiting for the TRAs to start demanding that the BBC retract their transphobic reporting

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