ECHR

[RedToothBrush]

amp.theguardian.com/law/2018/jul/23/womens-rights-under-threat-after-brexit-warns-ehcr-report?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true
Women's rights under threat after Brexit, warns EHCR report
EU protections may not apply under UK law, with workplace equality especially at risk

Not only this, the chances of a campaign to leave the EHCR are also high.

DO NOT lose sight of this, amongst all the trans stuff. This JUST as important.

Trans people might also want to pay attention rather than targeting feminists.

Thanks Red what can we do?

It comes back to making the case for rights and showing how they work and benefit us all.

I worry about all the trans stuff dominating efforts; this is part of the same thing.

If we don't explain why rights work, and how they work, we might as well give up now as all the efforts about the trans stuff will be pointless anyway.

I am extremely worried.

Women's rights were always a gigantic issue for me with the whole Brexit concept and it's (sadly) no surprise to read this now.

The same people who voted for Brexit are mostly the ones who are likely to suffer most - though most women are likely to be disproportionately affected.

“Employment rights and funding for women’s services are areas of particular concern,” it states.

Except that funding erosion for women-only support services has been going on since 2010 (generally the back door of forcing them to be 'more inclusive' and 'one stop shops' ie service males and all comers). So it began long before Brexit.

The laws don't even protect us anyway. eg - Sex Discrimination Act 1975 was supposed to give us equal pay, etc. Nearly 50 years later, still trailing along at 85% of the male wage, with no equal representation in parliament, management positions or anything else. That it (and the later version) were repealed in favour of the 'one stop shop' of the Equality Act 2010 - well, just look at that coincidence in timing right there!

The wheels were set in motion about 2009, or a bit before, to 'redistribute wealth' and push a whole load of people (mainly women) back into poverty, as well as wind back women's rights generally (thanks in large part to the T, the fight currently on the table).

No, I don't have any answers. Only observations. We are pretty much doomed.

I said this at the time - this will be used as a giant opportunity to remove workers rights in general and women’s rights in particular.

We’ve already see employment tribunals become accessible only to the wealthy. Spousal maintenance has almost gone.

Next will be maternity provision, working time directive, and health and safety. These will impact disproportionately on the less skilled end of the workforce as they will not be able to bargain with their skill set.

Result? Massive corporate profits, decimation of workers rights, women back in the kitchen.

this project fear is getting seriously irritating now.

The ECHR protects the human rights of people in countries that belong to the Council of Europe, which is a completely different organisation to the EU. The UK will still be signed up to the ECHR when it leaves the EU. In Britain our human rights under the ECHR are protected by the Human Rights Act 1998

This was one of the main reasons I voted remain and everyone I mentioned it to thought I was overreacting - after all, why would a government want to remove human rights?

it seemed clear to me that a conservative government could not be trusted with human rights and especially employment rights.

We could see a rolling back of the minimum wage, tribunal access, maternity leave, flexible working, zero hours contracts - all those rights we have worked so hard to achieve.

Yes, we have the Human Rights Act - but that has always been underpinned by the European laws - meaning that anyone could take their case to a higher court if they wished. There was a more independent legal system that could ensure a government did not act unfairly to it's citizens. That will now be gone.

Are you saying the EHCR offers that same protection?

Tory government votes not to retain European human rights charter in UK law after Brexit

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-mps-vote-against-including-european-fundamental-rights-charter-in-uk-law-a8162981.html

''MPs have voted against including the European Charter of Fundamental Rights in UK law after Brexit.

A Labour amendment, tabled in the name of Jeremy Corbyn, sought to retain the provisions in the Charter but was voted down by 317 votes to 299.''

The ECHR protects the human rights of people in countries that belong to the Council of Europe, which is a completely different organisation to the EU. The UK will still be signed up to the ECHR when it leaves the EU. In Britain our human rights under the ECHR are protected by the Human Rights Act 1998

I am well aware of this.

You miss the point. Deliberately.

There are prominate individuals talking about leaving and wanting to leave the ECHR and are talking about that as their next campaign.

Plus Rights mean shit if you can't enforce them.

My point is about a general erosion which isn't related directly to Brexit but the politics are closely related.

I'll eat your biscuit cos I'm hungry, and because you clearly are not one of the 25% who understands anything about rights.

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

As soon as the GRA was passed in 2004 the transgender umbrella was raised to include all manner of behaviors that had nothing to do with transsexuals.
Lots of laws are duplicative and left on the books anyway, but women's rights laws were repealed when the Equality Act was written in 2010.
Why would the Parliament vote not to retain the Human Rights Charter?

As soon as the GRA was passed in 2004 the transgender umbrella was raised to include all manner of behaviors that had nothing to do with transsexuals.

You have a beautiful way with words thebewilderness

Lots of laws are duplicative and left on the books anyway, but women's rights laws were repealed when the Equality Act was written in 2010.

Actually, it wasn't just the SDA that got repealed for the EA, the disabled, racial protection, and a host of others, got canned. I think the theory behind it was to "let them squabble among themselves for the crumbs".

You couldn't make it up. ECHR talk about Gender Equality instead of sex equality.

They are getting a load of flak for saying that gender is the protected characteristic. For instance:

"Women need sex equality not gender equality. Please do not confuse or conflate the two. The Equality and Human Rights Commission should be particularly good at differentiating between the two rather than simply adding to the common confusion."