Rod Liddle Times 22/7Meanwhile the transgender lobby still on its surreal march to deny reality'

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Haven't found this on another thread;paragraph in his Times comment:

'Ah yes - when reality intrudes.If you are really 'woke' and wish to advertise your insuperable virtue,you can buy a T- shirt from Amazon.On the front of it is written,in rainbow colours:'There are more than two genders.'Scroll down and you'll find that there is a choice of precisely two fittings - for men or women.
Meanwhile, the transgender lobby,still on its surreal march to deny reality,is insistent that men who transition to being women can suffer very badly from period pains.Despite not having a uterus.And those who deny their right to suffer period pains ,despite the fact that they cannot possibly have them,are bigots.
Strange times,strange allies

Even a stopped clock tells the right time twice a day!

If any of you are truly gender critical; you'll know that a women's t-shirt is in no way inherently belonging to women. It's just that our society decided to cut t-shirt thst way to emphasise certain aesthetics.

How strange, then, that this GNC woman is physically more comfortable in a t-shirt cut to accommodate the physical realities of the female body.

Actually, that kind of thinking is extremely common with the woke dudes and is exactly why we are in this mess.

It appears to be how we are teaching in the universities these days. Which is why nobody has an actual argument apart from saying 'you are wrong' or 'you are mean'.

I amusingly wrote essays about people I didn't like, both agreeing with their points and disagreeing depending on the point, not the person.

The Trans lobby are really showing up gender ideology for the ridiculousness that it is. The more people who know about it the better. People like RL have a wide reaching audience so it is very good it is being talked about.

No, see, the reason that my tshirts need to be shaped differently to those worn by my DH is that I have massive boobs and he does not.

Hope that helps!

No, see, the reason that my tshirts need to be shaped differently to those worn by my DH is that I have massive boobs and he does not.

I know - TITS - WAIST - HIPS = DIFFERENT CUT OF MATERIAL.

Who knew eh?

Well, everyone obvs.

Looking forward to the natural progression then and we eventually get a thread that says 'Yes, Nick Griffin is a bit of a twit but he's right about trans people, let's applaud him on that one.'

I remember when Nick Griffin went on Question Time and it was a national theatre for righteous vilification. And, of course, if you aren't a far right racist, as none of us here are, presumably (hopefully), then you approved of the vilification. He deserved nothing more. We all felt good about it.

So, when he started talking about industrial sex abuse of girls by Pakistani gangs, everybody was outraged at his disgusting racist lies. The entire panel was outraged, including Jack Straw, the Home Secretary of the time, who would have been aware of the grooming gang situation. We were encouraged to believe that Nick Griffin was telling lies about grooming gangs by people who knew he wasn't telling lies.

All these things were true:

Nick Griffin is a disgusting far right racist.
Nick Griffin was telling the truth about grooming gangs.
The Home Office is not full of disgusting far right racists.
The Home Office probably misled us about the extent of grooming gangs.

This is how far right backlashes occur. If the only people allowed to tell the truth are the far right, the far right attracts support. And, I would have thought, one of the few things that the Followers of Gender and GC feminists can actually agree on is that a far right backlash would be a very bad thing indeed.

But with most t-shirt retailers, women's-cut t-shirts (where a specific style/logo/message is available in either a men's or women's style) only go up to a size 16, because fat women are unwomen and should hide their shame in a men's style xxxl tent rather than having a more flattering style available.

No, see, the reason that my tshirts need to be shaped differently to those worn by my DH is that I have massive boobs and he does not

Just what i was thinking angry

Cant believe someone is now explaining how clothes and gender work to the FWR board

I would say get thee to style and beauty, but you won't make it out alive

And this mens cut pisses me off

As its the default

"That person must be wrong because he's a dick, therefore anyone who agrees with him on anything is wrong" is thinking worthy of a pre-pubescent child. Like seriously, going by Piaget's model I don't think anyone claiming this would even have reached the level of development of the average 10 year old. That's just embarrassing if coming from an adult.

I bet Liddle believes that gravity exists and that for that reason jumping off tall buildings without a parachute, bungee cord etc is a bad idea too. And I would agree with that. Burn the witch!

I’m greatly cheered to discover that Rod Liddle is reading this forum, along with James Kirkup, Brendan O’Neill and others.

LangCleg’s point about the grooming gangs is excellent.

I wear ‘mens’ t shirts with the sleeves cut off.

I declare my gender as ‘Bonne Bon Jovi’

(Still wouldn’t buy that shirt or have dinner with RL, NG, nor OJ, mind you)

I have real trouble finding clothes I want to wear. Most of the stuff in the women’s department, that would fit me properly, is highly gendered and doesn’t match my needs. I could go to the men’s department but the clothing would be cut to fit a male bodied person, not a 5.2 woman with a 32G bra size. The problem here is not my body, my body is not a social construct. The problem is that the clothes in the women’s department have been designed to match an idea of femininity which does not fit with me. Anybody who doesn’t understand this is either incredibly thick, incredibly deluded, or both.
Just to break it down, for those of you who do not have a female body, when I try on a shirt from the men’s section it gapes across my tits, but if I go up a size it’s shapeless and baggy around my middle. It’s not a good look, and it doesn’t feel very comfortable. It doesn’t make me feel good about myself when I go out in ill fitting clothing. Consequently my sartorial options are quite limited, and it’s not because my body is the wrong shape.

The problem is that the clothes in the women’s department have been designed to match an idea of femininity which does not fit with me. Anybody who doesn’t understand this is either incredibly thick, incredibly deluded, or both.

And when you can find one that fits - it is covered in frills and flounces.

Fuck that shit.

And the women’s clothes rarely have pockets, let alone proper pockets.

I was always a skinny rat with no backside, no waist and precious little in the way of tits. So men's clothes suited me fine. Now I'm middle-aged and a bit on the saggy side, plus I've grown a backside and some tits. It has been a great shock to be funnelled into pocketless women's clothes. It all seems most unfair.

I've recently been seeing tshirts with flounces on the sleeves. For the love of god, why? It's a practical garment made of cotton.

That's gender. Not a mysterious inner feeling, a societal imposition that often makes very little sense.

Pepperberry has the best shirts for big boobs

Thats an actual fact...not just me yelling fact at the end of my post

(Womens shirts obviously but they fit for the tit)

Well quite Tells, or it so low cut people can see right down my cleavage, or the material is flimsy, or the pockets are barely big enough for a nail file, or the colours are muted and boring, or the pictures and logos have been sanitised and girlified to look like something a child would wear.
This summer I’ve been trying to find a Hawaiian shirt. The closest thing I can find in the women’s section are low cut blouses, and the colours and patterns are toned right down. I’ve been through every men’s section in town to find one that fits me but they all look awful. Weirdly enough my reaction was to be angry at the clothes manufacturers, for not producing anything equivalent for the women, not to conclude that actually I must have been born into the wrong body and that it’s my body that’s the mistake here.

Gender Free World is a shop specialising in shirts cut for any body shape without imposing little frilly flounces and pink flowers on the ones cut for a body shape that includes boobs. Also includes extra fastenings to eliminate boob-gape between shirt buttons.

The boob gape was the bane of my bloody existence when I had a job where I had to wear suits and button up shirts to work.

Ooo! If there are more than two genders, we could have more than just the boxy-yet-practical men's styles and the contoured-yet-impractical women's styles. How about pan style, contoured to accommodate the female body, but with proper pockets and no ridiculous frippery trims? Or ace style, contoured to accommodate the female body, but cut so that you don't expose yourself every time you bend over or reach upwards?

(God knows whether I'm using the correct gender-terms. Teen dd burbles on about Ace and Pan.)

Clothes shopping with my DD is fun.... similar to hotrocker, with well developed shoulders and muscles as a result of windsurfing. Teenage girls (or women in general) aren't meant to have those. So, she's limited to a small subsection of women's clothes - but never men's or boys (prepuberty 'boys' were fine for many purposes).

The t-shirt is funny because it's right. As many 'genders' as you can imagine, why not. But two sexes.

Y'all need some of these you un-woke fuckers.