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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Gender identity has a durable biological underpinning"

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Macareaux · 22/07/2018 17:07

Can any of you wise women offer any critique to this claim from endocrine specialists?

growinguptransgender.com/2017/11/18/endocrine-society-consensus-on-a-durable-biological-underpinning-to-gender-identity/

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soapboxqueen · 22/07/2018 23:31

garam If it is not a mental health condition is it being viewed as purely social issue or that somebody is literally in the wrong body. The first would mean nobody should need to medically transition. The second world need some serious evidence to back it up.

thebewilderness · 22/07/2018 23:33

And just like climate change deniers the expert opinion does not actually say what the promoters claim it says.

Mossandclover · 22/07/2018 23:35

I would just like to say I am right. I could provide some irrelevant references to prove it but I can’t be bother.

Mossandclover · 22/07/2018 23:39

garam gender incongruence’ is dual listed in icd-11 and is included under ‘mental, behavioural or neurodevelopmental disorders’

thebewilderness · 22/07/2018 23:41

Zombie lies never die because people who shall go nameless never stop telling them.

OvulaRasa · 23/07/2018 00:09

This is an interesting talk by an endocrinologist albeit on the Christian spectrum, but with a valid voice about what's happening

Also the twins data has been discussed elsewhere and it is under 30% of congenital twins who experience GD, so the other 70% don't. It might be most to it, but further studies are needed.

Money is a great motivator, trans population income will be in particular interesting as it isn't a one of but a life long path.

First No harm website has further data and case studies of how health professionals have to contend with the situation. Love cx

LaSquirrel · 23/07/2018 11:38

Not all endocrinologists are on board with this - Michael Laidlaw for one, is speaking out, and he has written other articles besides this one:
www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2018/04/21220/

MipMipMip · 23/07/2018 11:53

I would be interested in knowing if identical twins grow up away from each other do they both have GD? Nature v nurture. I imagine the number of twins who grew up separately and one or both then exhibited GD is rather limited though so it could never be more that anecdotal.

Sorry about the shades of The Parent Trap in there.

Oscarino · 23/07/2018 11:56

Even if the brain were pink or blue and we could actually see gender on a PET scan, it still wouldn’t explain why gender identity should have more salience than reproductive sex when it comes to creating safe spaces and positive discrimination to rectify millennia of sex-based subjugation.

This is it.

SarahCarer · 23/07/2018 22:17

There can be pyschological effects of suffering gender dysphoria and mental health debated in pyschology, but the opinion the root is based in pyschology is no longer considered valid.

There are literally shelves full of books in every university library in the country that explain how gender works and study gendered behaviour as a phenomenon. The vast majority conclude that gender is socially constructed. This is still the case. The weight of evidence and expert opinion still agrees on this. Since experts in biology cannot observe "identity" or "gender" as a phenomenon and wouldn't even know how to begin to deal with it scientifically I very much question whether they are the people to start explaining its origin. You can only study gender with psychology, sociology and philosophy. How would a medical doctor test a person's gender? Would they use a stethoscope, or a heart monitor? How about a brain scan to see if they prefer the X Factor or Match of the Day? Identity is not a biological phenomenon. Not gender identity, not racial identity, not religious or cultural identity. It is like saying doctors can now find the origin of the French language in French people's brains.

NotTerfNorCis · 23/07/2018 23:20

Saw this article today. It argues that there's a 'gender module' in the brain that even without hormone treatment is 'feminine' in transwomen's brains and 'masculine' in transmen's brains.

Transgender women tend to have brain structures that resemble cisgender women, rather than cisgender men. Two sexually dimorphic (differing between men and women) areas of the brain are often compared between men and women. The bed nucleus of the stria terminalus (BSTc) and sexually dimorphic nucleus of transgender women are more similar to those of cisgender woman than to those of cisgender men, suggesting that the general brain structure of these women is in keeping with their gender identity.

On the other hand, this article in New Scientist says the situation isn't so simple:

It’s unlikely that gender identity has such a straightforward biological explanation, however, and some studies have identified features of the transgender brain that appear closer to the natal sex, casting doubt on the developmental mismatch hypothesis. In a 2015 study from the Netherlands Institute for Neuroscience, a comparison of the distribution of gray matter in 55 female-to-male and 38 male-to-female transgender adolescents with cisgender controls in the same age group found broad similarities in the hypothalami and the cerebellums of the transgender subjects and cisgender participants of the same natal sex.

Neuroscience is very much in its infancy, and subject to preconceptions. I also think it's worrying that liberals are so keen on believing in natural mental differences between the sexes. That kind of thinking hasn't worked out so well for women in the past.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/07/2018 23:33

Schizophrenia also has biological underpinnings, and we aren't about to reorganize society around the perceptions of people with that any time soon. Why should gender be any different?

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