What positive outcomes would you like to see from GRA reform?

[Wanderabout]

One thing I would like to see and that urgently needs done is (in Rowantrees words):

"clarify and make explicit the difference between sex and gender and recognise the widespread confusion /potential risks / issues / obfuscation and / or misunderstandings which currently exist."

It needs to be explicit about the confusion and issues and address this clearly in legislation and/or practice.

The original GRA was designed as a legal fiction for a tiny number of gender dysphoric transexuals. We now have mass confusion about girl brain vs boy, magical thinking and biological denialism.

The purpose and meaning of enabling anyone to be legally recognised as the opposite sex needs to be crystal clear.

What else?

I don't think BC should be changeable. You should have a right to anew additional gender certificate when 18, which should be acknowledged as allowing certain rights, and overriding your BC in certain situations. But there should be complete sex controlled gatekeepers on certain areas like prisons. Which don't depend on proportionate this or that. They just are.

Perhaps the gender certificate should have certain levels: self certified, medically certified, with without dysphoria diagnosis, with without surgery, with certain things open to those in class a others only to those in class c etc . To enable posthe operation transexuals to partake as fully as would be reasonable without clowns with beards and penises turning up.

Like that idea Floorplan.

A clear seperate legal and social category for natal females is another essential.

Without that, sex-based rights are basically unworkable and therefore lost. It is also needed for things like sex based statistics needed to monitor male violence, make prison planning meaningful etc.

Your range of birth certificates idea would fit nicely with that.

It may seem complicated but degree certificates have different classes, disabled athletes have different classes what's the actual problem? We should have different classes of gender recognition with certain activities or rights only open to those with appropriate categorisation. And sex as on bc is just what it says - sex at birth. Certain things only open to those with appropriate BC. And we need to urgently get rid of this proportionate justified crap.

Makes sense to me.

And there is the biological elitism out in full force again wanting to relegate trans women, based on their biology, to be a separate group with fewer rights. History has - rightly - condemned those who have tried that with other marginalised groups.

A clear seperate legal and social category for natal females is another essential.

Yes, I don't understand why people would deny that this is needed.

Goddamn nature and its biological elitism making men male and women female just to fuck off Snappity..

Strengthening of evidence based medicine, review and research - like with the screening decisions - in more areas of medicine, most definitely including paediatric GI clinics.

@snappity it is not really possible for half the population of the world to constitute an "elite" group. It is certainly not possible for the half that is less well paid and generally more oppressed than the other half of the world to do so.

Explicit clarification in law of what the meanings of the following are:

Sex
Gender
Male
Female
Woman
Man

Strengthening of provision of single sex spaces and services as appropriate

Absolute rejection of things like confidential disclosure in schools.

We women are one of those marginalised groups, Snappity!

But you have to love a trier!

This is really useful.

Definition of:
Gender Identity
Transgender
Transwoman
Transexual

Word to use for biological females in law and policy clarified and agreed with the say of the 52% of the population it applies to.

Any changes to the GRA 2004 will have to comply with The Goodwin & I ruling , anything else UK government would face massive fines

But please go ahead petition This government to withdraw from the HRA 1998

Nelson is likely to get his eye back before that happens !

Jo and I support Transsexual peoples rights, we don't support self ID or Transvestites or cross dressers !

the fudging on the original act was to take into account the huge numbers of F2M,s who don't seek Genital surgery !

and contrary to belifs most F2M ,are gay , and they do have relationships with gay men !

Hi Foxy what is the Goodwin & I ruling?

Retaining the requirement of a medical diagnosis would be in accordance with international law.

Also who is Jo sorry I appear to have missed something?

And what is the HRA 1998?

*the huge numbers of F2M,s who don't seek Genital surgery !

and contrary to belifs most F2M ,are gay , and they do have relationships with gay men !*

F2Ms with no genital surgery, ie people with vaginas, having relationships with gay men. I understood that most gay men would not entertain the idea of a relationship with a F2M, so I'm assuming that the gay men that they are in relationships with are also F2Ms with no genital surgery? So, lesbians are now gay men? No erasure here then.

If I were to ever fully accept the idea of a being able to change the sex on your birth certificate to me it would have to be completely clear who exactly is able to get one, and this IMO should be someone who has had full and complete surgical modification to match their chosen sex (although I am against phaloplasty so if I had the final say phaloplasty not necessary but penis inversion absolutely necessary) and a diagnosis of sex/gender dysphoria. Men with AGP not permitted.
So a vanishing minority but I would be absolutely happy for true transsexuals to change their birth certificate. BUT exemptions to still apply as per above suggestions.
These are reforms I would like to see.

FYI, access to women and girls in various states of undress isn't a right.
Access to public facilities for the disabled is a right, and in some cases, such as schools, the law mandates male and female sex segregated facilities so that no students will have fewer rights than another.

When they wrote the gender reassignment laws they gave those who identify as gender reassigned more rights than others. Those special rights to use whichever public facilities they choose on any given day need to be revoked.

In an ideal world the GRA would be scrapped. You cannot change sex, and changing people's birth certificates is a rewriting of history and a denial of reality.

The government is facilitating fraud.

Wouldn't it be nice if women were allowed to distance themselves from transwomen the way that transwomen are allowed to distance themselves from men?

I'd like to belong to a class of people that have the right to declare they exist completely separately and fundamentally differently from another class.

I'd even be happy to provide incontrovertible and factual evidence, as opposed to 'because I say so'.

I want the GRA to recognise SEX with crystal clear definitions and acknowledgement of immutability.

I also demand the right not to be assigned a default 'gender identity'. I WILL NOT be categorised by a faith which has been assigned to me, falsely and without my consent.

I just want the truth. I want the law to acknowledge truth.

Gender/body dysphoria sounds bad. It isn't up to women and girls to be the medicine, forceably giving up our right to say no to men and boys in our spaces to make males with the condition feel better.

It isn't right for the state to facilitate male deception at the expense of women and girls.

Obviously being male and 'presenting' in ways normally associated with women could lead to feelings of awkwardness and embarrassment. Especially when using the correct sex segregated facilities for you. There could be raised eyebrows, comments, homophobia. You may feel the frisson of fear someone with dwarfism or who looks very camp or who has a facial disfigurement may feel in this intolerant world we live in. However this is all part of this condition when 'treated' by changing sex steroetypical presentation and doesn't give males a free pass to call themselves women and invade women-only spaces and provision or call themselves women to make life easier for them.

So perhaps 'changing gender' isn't the best solution for people with dysphoria if the awkwardness/embarrassment/fear of using their own sex facilities, etc makes life impossible. Just dress a bit more gender neutrally like women often do.

So changing birth certs has to stop. Males feeling entitled to move among us women undetected has to stop. Males moving among us detected but legally protected from us needs to stop. Males calling themselves women has to stop. Sex change is a lie and it hurts women.

There needs to be a new solution to dysphoria that the individual takes responsibility for. The solution is not and should never have been eroding women's rights and words. This must stop.

Back to the drawing board.