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Telegraph article Facebook accused of censorship WPUk

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Indierockandroll · 21/07/2018 07:05

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/21/facebook-accused-censoring-feminist-campaign-website-concerned/

No comment from FB though

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Procrastinator1 · 21/07/2018 10:14

Can the twitter account be linked to the CEO of mermaids?

Procrastinator1 · 21/07/2018 10:27

Sorry x posts there.

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 10:39

You could write to the chair of trustees asking for clarification as to what role Helen had / has and Meraids response to the allegations etc.

www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/mermaids-trustees.html

Telegraph article Facebook accused of censorship WPUk
R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 10:41

There other parents involved wth Mermaids who have also been very public with regards allegations etc.

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 10:48

It is notable that the board of trustees do not seem to have anyone with a professional background and experience in social care / health / supportive services etc.

The trustees come from management, financial, commercial sectors.

I think this is unusual given the groups that Mermaids support.

Procrastinator1 · 21/07/2018 11:08

I have had a look at the mermaids web-site and charity commission info. I suppose the benefit and draw back of twitter is anonymity, unless anyone tweets something identifying.

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 11:17

Its widely known that Helen from Mermaids is Mimmymum and her role with the charity used to be on the previous version of the website.

There were some changes with the board of trustees earlier this year.

This is a matter of public record.

Asking a question of a board of trustees, raising a concern etc is completely appropriate, especially one which is concerned with vulnerable children and young people.

Also see James Kirkup's Spectator article May 2018 : Why are some MPs trying to shut down the transgender debate?
(extract)
"As it happens, Dr Carmichael in her lecture said some things that seem relevant here:

“Gender has become amazingly topical and we have to be really careful not to assume that anyone is exploring or questioning their gender is going to want to change their bodies in line with that. The extremes on either side are not helpful. We need to look at the grey areas in between. To do that we need to be able to talk and discuss these issues. All too often stakeholders become lobby groups.”

She did not name any stakeholder. But her words might be relevant to a charity called Mermaids. Mermaids is a charity that describes itself as “a support group for children and young people with gender dysphoria and their families”. Its CEO, Susie Green describes herself as “parent to a daughter who was born male.” Mermaids is a relatively small charity (it had income of £127,000 in the year to March 2017) with a big reach. It has prominent backers and its advice and recommendations have been absorbed and adopted by many public bodies.

Some people in the gender debate say harsh and critical things about Mermaids. I am not doing so here. My suggestion is that Green, having had her own family experience of transgender issues, has decided to devote herself to charitable work in the hope of offering what she believes as help to others who need it. The same is true of several others who work or volunteer at Mermaids. Read this for a moving account of how devoted some parents are to Mermaids for their help.

Despite its influence, it is worth noting what Mermaids is not. It is not a research body. Its activities are support (for families) and advocacy: based on its contacts with those families, it argues for what it sees are better policies and practices by the NHS and others. It does not carry out or commission clinical or academic research. Its most recent annual report lists among its charitable activities “campaigning and advocacy” and says: “Mermaids has also become more active in lobbying”.

There is regular dialogue between Mermaids and the GIDS, but the two sides do not always agree. An example is on the time the GIDS team take to give referred children the hormone-blocking drugs that stop their bodies developing the physical characteristics associated with their birth sex.

In evidence to another Commons inquiry in 2015, Mermaids argued that GIDS should make such drugs available much more quickly. The GIDS team has generally resisted that call, more than once saying that “any decision around hormone treatment needs time and considered thought.”

And in evidence to that earlier committee, Dr Bernadette Wren of the GIDS said this:

“I know that Susie and Mermaids would like a fast track so that young people who are already well into puberty and feel that they know that they want to move forward into physical intervention would bypass our assessment process and move straight into physical intervention. We feel that is not an ethical way to practise.”

Here’s another summary. A transgender charity that says it is engaged in lobbying lobbied politicians and doctors to change the way children are treated by doctors. The doctors declined to make that change because it would be not be ethical to do so." (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/05/why-are-some-mps-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate/

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 11:18

There are issues with regards any organisation that has a lobbying role and is also providing training / guidance in schools.

R0wantrees · 21/07/2018 11:24

thread which includes discussion of Mermaids' structure / change in scope etc:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3193748-Susie-Green

LangCleg · 21/07/2018 11:34

Asking a question of a board of trustees, raising a concern etc is completely appropriate, especially one which is concerned with vulnerable children and young people.

Yes, it is.

Mossandclover · 23/07/2018 11:04

Many support organisations also lobby on behalf of their members, indeed it is often hard to do one without the other - think many disability groups. These groups may also provide training in schools. The difference between those groups and mermaids/TRA is disability groups do not require others to lie, to pretend reality is not what it is, undermine safeguarding, recommend mutilation and medication of children going through normal developmental phases, cause harm to others...

Acornriver · 23/07/2018 16:35

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R0wantrees · 23/07/2018 16:48

The important thread which Mimmymum refers to discusses systemic failings / failures in child protection and safeguarding vulnerable adults.

There are a large number of posters and points raised.

link here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

Telegraph article Facebook accused of censorship WPUk
Telegraph article Facebook accused of censorship WPUk
thebewilderness · 23/07/2018 22:04

Facebook has been interfering in the democratic process of countries all over the world for years.
Sometimes for money but other times because FB management have their own political agenda.

hipsterfun · 24/07/2018 19:31

Mumsnet is 4chan for women with AGA cookers

That’s actually quite amusing Grin Possibly not intentionally.

AncientLights · 24/07/2018 20:17

I haven't got an Aga.

Wanderabout · 24/07/2018 20:20

I saw an AGA once.

OvaHere · 24/07/2018 20:30

A friend of a friend has an AGA that's about as close as it gets. Don't think I could be faffed with one or fit it in my tiny kitchen

Ereshkigal · 24/07/2018 20:48

I read Jilly Cooper when I was younger and some of the characters have AGAs. Can I stay?

FloralBunting · 24/07/2018 20:53

Bloody ridiculous. Everyone knows the best people have Rayburns.

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