Should we as women fight for a safe third space?

[Notevilstepmother]

I’m not an expert on any of this, I’ve started reading recently so please be nice!

It seems to me there are 2 types of trans and unconventional dressing people, the genuine type who aren’t demanding anything, but just want to be left alone to get on with their day safely. These people are possibly quite vulnerable to attacks by macho types who for some reason feel threatened by them. These people would benefit from a safe space. However they are not a large number of people, and many of them are shy about their needs. I say people as it could be f t m as well as m t f that might be safer in a 3rd space.

The other type is the 🦇 💩 demanding lady penis uterus free period type that want to force their way into our safe space. They don’t want a safe space, they want validation and don’t give a crap who’s safe space they violate.

I know women say we fought for our safe space, others need to do the same, but if we fight for and get the 3rd space, it makes our space safer too, as it weakens the argument for activists in our space.

Any thoughts? Much to all in my first group.

They definitely don't want these spaces. They've shown this at Hampstead Ponds. The aim is not safety. I don't even think it's validation. The aim is the destruction of female only spaces, until there are none left, anywhere. Until there is no place left where women can be sure of being without a man present.

This has been mentioned on here as an option several times before.

The usual response from our resident trans and trans allies is that a 3rd space would "other" them and leave them vulnerable to those who wish them harm as they would know where to find them.

This doesn't make sense to me because

a) the 3rd space wouldn't be trans space it would be anyone space. In terms of toilets and changing rooms I would happily use a mixed space and I suspect many others would too.

and b) if self-id comes in then that effectively opens up what are currently seen as safe spaces to anyone, thereby rendering them unsafe.

Apparently these two considerations are more harmful than being "othered" though. I don't get that.