Okay... best case scenario? What is the MOST we can expect from the current GRA consultation and other action?

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IF ... and I realise it is a big IF... the british public became engaged and spoke out through the consultation (reflecting what they think as per YouGov poll with only 18% supporting self-id).... what is the BEST CASE SCENARIO for what might happen???

Both straight afterwards and in the medium -term?

Having just read the consultation for the first time - wow - you really have to be dedicated to fill it in ... especially as it hasn't been created to encourage people to do so. I hate this faux-make-it-accessible to all by having a simple guide - but then NOT making it clear to respondents that they don't have to answer every question and NOT offering the option of DON'T KNOW... I have no idea about impact on military services! So I think there is a big hurdle in just encouraging people to fill it in in the first place.... and to feel confident saying Don't know to a number of the questions that really don't relate to them

I also felt VERY cross that they talked about Sex assigned at birth in one place - while appropriately writing recorded at birth in others.... feels prejudiced from the beginning!!!

Honestly, I think the trans lobby will just steamroller it, make many changes, and about 20 years from now we might be able to reclaim some of them when the lawsuits begin.

Sorry if that's bleak but it's the best case I can come up with myself.

At this point I think the best that we can hope for it that it will get kicked into the long grass.

• Consultation concludes October 2018.

• Spring 2019 - further consultations and impact assessments needed. Will report back in 3 years.

What I want for the short-term:

• No self ID

• No changes to the relevant protected characteristics through the back-door. 'Sex', sexual orientation, and gender reassignment to remain, but no so-called "gender identity"

medium term

• To hold to account every public body that has replaced the protected characteristic of 'sex' with 'gender', by stealth. Restore 'sex'.

• To expose "gender identity" as a flawed concept upon which to base laws, policies, criminal offences and 'equal rights' claims.

• Countering misinformation that may induce businesses and services to do away with single-sex spaces or that persuade stakeholders that they have to give up single-sex space by, amongst other things

raising awareness of autogynephilia (sexual arousal through performative femininity); the pressure on young lesbians to identify as men; the phenomen of de-transitioning; and the myths around the victimisation of trans people.

Long term goal

• To hold UK political parties feet to the fire.

I don't have a political party. The one that I belonged to believes that transwomen are women and that I am mostly a non-man or a cis-woman. The Other Parties are the same. I would rather spoil my ballot paper and protest than vote for any of them.

Maybe the legislative go-slow on everything not Brexit-related is the silver lining in the cluster fuck that is Brexit.

Best case.

The current government do a consultation and find that changes are deeply unpopular and they need the votes of women so decide to legislate that sex continues to exist as a separate entity.

This makes it more difficult for the next government to go near the same subject straight away in the event that Labour do win the next election.

The current government just kicking it into the long grass has the effect of making it more likely that we'll get crazier legislation under a Labour government which will only serve to create massive issues further down the line in terms of a backlash. Once the law is passed its exceptionally hard to role back on especially if it's with regards to rights. Once you establish a right, the act of trying to roll it back somehow, has the unwanted effect of also undermining other rights.

Going too far on trans rights, by restricting women's rights has that unintended consequence. Then trying to remove trans rights further undermines women's rights inadvertently. And workers rights and other minority rights.

Which is a far right wet dream. And possibly another reason you see MRAs going hand in hand with TRAs.

Thus the best case is actually to deal with this current wave as soon as possible.

Failing that, we want a kick into the long grass followed by a scandal on an epic scale to materialise in the US or Canada or elsewhere, which alerts the general public as to what a cluster fuck this is and Labour suddenly start getting cold feet themselves. That won't happen now without 'an event's due to how the Labour party is trying to control debate on the subject within the party through force.

Also a kick into the long grass position doesn't take into account what is happening NOW without any change in the law which is leading to trans lobby groups having such influence over state institutions with alarming effect. Possibly leading to the law being broken as a result.

The other thing that could happen on that front is a legal challenge which rules in favour of sex not being replaced by gender that then forces compliance by state institutions. That would require money and a suitable test case. The money is a problem and against the virulent culture of TRAs there is a shortage of people willing to go up against that type of abuse.

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The absolute best scenario for GC feminists is that as as result of the consultation process, the Government realises that there are a lot of complications that they hadn't considered and make no changes, or very minimal changes, to the current GRC process. For example, I think that there should be an appeal process other than judicial review, as a matter of principle, so I will say that in my response. I am also given to understand that it can be hard for someone with an intersex condition to change their recorded sex, because they don't have gender dysphoria as such (as required by the current legislation).

The other "win" would come as a consequence of awareness raising, where all the organisations seeking to "get ahead of the curve" realise that they are behaving in ways that potentially put women and girls at risk; that is not what their customers want; and in some cases is actually unlawful. Maybe the government could issue guidance that clarifies the use of the exemptions in the EA, but even if not, having the board of Top Shop actually consider whether they want Travis A in their female changing rooms (and what their lawyers have to say on the issue) would be a step in the right direction.

I hope to see an end to the government facilitating fraud by letting people change their name and sex on legal records and identification papers by deed poll.
Definitions of the words they are using when they legislate safekeeping.

Greater awareness that Genderism is simply misogyny in drag.
Investigation in activities of lobbyist groups who have disseminated fraudulent information to government agencies, officials, schools, councils, businesses, and law enforcement.