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The Guardian removes article about the benefits of female-only facilities in refugee camp - is this sinister?

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BadasIwannaB · 16/07/2018 16:15

The Guardian had an article entitled ‘I couldn’t even wash after giving birth: how showers are restoring the dignity of female refugees’. (now available here: firenewsfeed.com/lifestyle/1762120)

It’s now been removed.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jul/09/i-couldnt-even-wash-after-giving-birth-how-showers-are-restoring-the-dignity-of-female-refugees?CMP=share_btn_tw

…’pending review’

Why???

Is this to do with TRAs trying to stifle debate?

Why I think this is likely:
Widespread bias in the media about anything pertaining to possible clash between women’s interests and the demands of TRAs over female-only spaces. A particularly stunning example being the coverage of #getthelout - a small group of women protesting at Pride against increasing pressure on lesbians to have sex with people with penises. Press almost completely unaminously reports this as ‘Pride organisers sorry for disruption by anti-trans protesters’.

Why I think it’s bad:
I think any attempt to stifle debate is bad. In this case, though, it looks particularly pernicious. The article isn’t taking a stand on that debate. It doesn’t even mention transgender people or even allude to issues about whether women’s spaces should be open to trans women. The article is about a vulnerable group of women in a vulnerable situation, and what difference access to female-only facilities makes in this particular case, to their safety, dignity, and general well-being. What on earth good can come of surpressing that?

Do others share my worry?
Any ideas what can be done?
Could it be that The Guardian are getting funding from TRA organisations? If so, is there any way this can be made public?

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SPOFS · 16/07/2018 16:19

I am also appalled by this! I just started my own thread on it. I'll ask for mine to be removed so that we can have everything in one thread.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 16/07/2018 16:19

Oh FFS.
Washing away the realities of those poor women.

Selfish, selfish, selfish.

This speaks to my thread about where the fuck this will all end.

SPOFS · 16/07/2018 16:21

This honestly makes the Guardian as bad as the DM in my opinion! I mean, how dare they do this?!? How dare they erase the discussion on the dignity of female refugees?!? SadAngry

BettyDuMonde · 16/07/2018 16:22

I think it certainly warrants a query as to why it’s gone and who requested it be reviewed?

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 16/07/2018 16:25

I think it certainly warrants a query as to why it’s gone and who requested it be reviewed?

I can make a couple of guesses on that one.

R0wantrees · 16/07/2018 16:32

Sex Matters tweet:

twitter.com/SexMattersUK/status/1016994773025116160

link to Guardian shows 'temporarily taken down pending review'

The need for single sex toilets and shower facilities has been long recognised as essential for women who are refugees.

metro.co.uk/2017/12/14/women-refugee-camps-wear-nappies-stop-sexually-assaulted-7160978/

www.womensrefugeecommission.org/empower/resources/practitioners-forum/facts-and-figures

The Guardian removes article about the benefits of female-only facilities in refugee camp - is this sinister?
EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 16/07/2018 16:34

Looks like something else might be going on: mobile.twitter.com/indigojo_uk/status/1018844770838433793

The Guardian removes article about the benefits of female-only facilities in refugee camp - is this sinister?
HelsinkiMan · 16/07/2018 16:40

Wow!

HerFemaleness · 16/07/2018 16:40

I don't know why it was taken down but after reading it I can see it breaks two commandments of lefty wokeness.

Thou shalt not state, directly or by implication, that single sex facilities are important for the health and well being of females.

Thou shalt not discuss openly sexual violence committed by refugee males.

ThomasNightingale · 16/07/2018 16:44

That makes sense. If I were the Guardian and I found out that there were allegations of god knows what within an organisation that I’d given a huge fundraising plug to that very day, then I’d definitely take it down until I found out what was going on.

Sarahconnor1 · 16/07/2018 16:45

Well it certainly looks bad, will be interesting to see the explanation.

This isn't the first time the guardian has got itself into a tangle like this. I stopped reading it when they failed to report for a week the mass sexual attacks in Germany new year 2015/16.

When they eventually did report it this part stood out to me

Young German women thankfully enjoy historically unprecedented economic and sexual freedom, with their expensive smartphones and their right to celebrate New Year’s Eve however they want. The same isn’t always true of young male migrants exchanging life under repressive regimes, where they may at least have enjoyed superiority over women, for scraping by at the bottom of Europe’s social and economic food chain

HelsinkiMan · 16/07/2018 16:48

I can see it breaks two commandments of lefty wokeness.

Thou shalt not state, directly or by implication, that single sex facilities are important for the health and well being of females.

Thou shalt not discuss openly sexual violence committed by refugee males.

The leftyDudeBro cult!

Where is Bewilderness? We need the rules of misogyny here!

seafret · 16/07/2018 16:50

The Guardian need to be explaining themselves sharpish.

Young German women thankfully enjoy historically unprecedented economic and sexual freedom, with their expensive smartphones and their right to celebrate New Year’s Eve however they want. The same isn’t always true of young male migrants exchanging life under repressive regimes, where they may at least have enjoyed superiority over women, for scraping by at the bottom of Europe’s social and economic food chain

That it an utterly disgusting spin. Made me feel sick.

ThomasNightingale · 16/07/2018 17:04

I know this board never gives the Guardian the benefit of the doubt, for understandable reasons, but I’m not sure what else they can do.

They can’t leave up an article saying “Give money to these guys, they’re great and in no way complicit in systematic sexual exploitation of vulnerable women ”. But they can’t post a notice saying “taken down because it turns out these guys were complicit in systematic sexual exploitation of vulnerable women all along ” because their lawyers would have their guts for garters if they haven’t put together some facts and a form of words that won’t get them sued to the ends of the earth.

R0wantrees · 16/07/2018 17:14

It seems from the FB link that there are unspecified allegations with regards someone involved with the refugee project which feautured in the Guardian article.

The Guardian removes article about the benefits of female-only facilities in refugee camp - is this sinister?
The Guardian removes article about the benefits of female-only facilities in refugee camp - is this sinister?
womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/07/2018 17:41

That it an utterly disgusting spin. Made me feel sick.

YY - ducking (spellcheck) fake news - written by men - his-story in the making

Gncq · 16/07/2018 17:41

"unspecified allegations"
Read: was accused of transphobia because they support single sex spaces.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 16/07/2018 17:46

Wow that quote about German women is horrendous. I’m sickened.

ThomasNightingale · 16/07/2018 18:07

I’d be very surprised indeed if that was the allegation gcnq. It just doesn’t fit the facts: the speed, the secrecy, the lack of public complaints about the article. There are a whole bunch of explanations which would be more plausible given the statement from Sussex Aid for Refugees.

JackyHolyoake · 16/07/2018 18:15

Here's a link to another report of the same story:

www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/refugee-women-greece-washrooms-showers-for-sisters/

SPOFS · 17/07/2018 12:42

There's two unbelievable things about this story:

  1. That the Guardian even commissioned/ published it in the first place.
  1. That they (presumably) sent a man to write a report on women's safe spaces... was there really not a suitable female for the role?
Mima1121 · 25/03/2019 07:55

The article was removed following sexual assault allegations about a man mentioned in the article made by a female volunteer. Said volunteer also posted about it in a Facebook group, warning other volunteers about him, but the post was taken down with the admins citing a "no naming and shaming" policy.

Mima1121 · 25/03/2019 07:59

Or at least that's what I heard

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