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Of truth and liberty - politics and journalism in 2018

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RedToothBrush · 14/07/2018 22:23

This is such an important article I think it needs its own thread. It's by the wonderful Nick Cohen.

This article is about the BBCs reporting of Brexit. I know there are Leavers here, but urge you to read the article in the context of other issues and how the media is not challenging and questioning things properly. Take the bits about Brexit out if you wish, but read the rest of it. I can not stress just how important it is to current politics across the board - it will have particular resonance with women.

I have always been a defender of the BBC especially against the 'its too left wing/right wing', but right now it's difficult to argue it's not doing any journalism at all. The BBC is certainly not alone atm in this failing though.

www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/07/12/how-the-bbc-lost-the-plot-on-brexit/
How the BBC lost the plot on Brexit

Here are a few points to illustrate it. But as I say read it all

Late last year, BBC executives had the nerve to erect a bronze statue of George Orwell outside its headquarters in central London. The sculptor caught Orwell’s spikiness. He stands one hand on hip, the other pointing forward with a cigarette between his fingers, as if caught in mid-argument. Carved into the wall behind him is the journalistic motto that Orwell and the BBC wanted us to learn: “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

And

Much of contemporary politics resembles the brainwashing techniques of religious sects, which discredit sources of information that might contradict the cult’s teachings. Political leaders cannot order their followers to cut off communications with their families and leave their partners if they are not fellow members of the sect, but they have found other ways to imitate L. Ron Hubbard. Their most effective technique is to take a half-truth—that all journalistic choices are ideological to some extent—and use it as a weapon to suppress the full truth.

It ought to be obvious that a left-wing reporter will have an urge to expose corporate misconduct, just as a right-wing reporter will be on the watch for the hypocrisies of the left. But since deeds, not motives, make the world go round, the intention of the reporter ought to be irrelevant. What matters is whether what they have found is true or important. Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin are masters of the tactic of saying that, regardless of the truth of the research or the importance of the story, the very fact of the story’s existence proves its illegitimacy. The term “whataboutism” does not begin to cover the new official campaigns to discredit journalism. The political cult leader does not merely claim his opponents are as bad as he is or that reporters are motivated by their opposition to him (which is true more often than not). He tells his followers that no honest person would have covered the story in the first place. Its truth and relevance are immaterial; it has no right to exist.

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Trump’s victory in the US has emboldened the worst people in Britain, and the BBC faces constant attacks from his imitators. At the other end of the ideological spectrum, supporters of Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the Labour Party, have formed a suitably Marxist cult of personality around their leader. Their propagandists have convinced them that bad news about Labour is fake news concocted by corrupt journalists. So aggressive did their anger become that the BBC had to hire bodyguards to protect its political editor at Labour’s last national conference.

I hope some of you will get what I'm driving at, and that the article's value isn't about Brexit at all but a systematic failure in journalism which is affecting many areas of journalism and in turn holding people properly to account.

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AldiSav · 14/07/2018 22:42

Thank you.

Wanderabout · 14/07/2018 23:09

RedToothBrush have read your comments on here for a while with interest.

Have you ever considered writing a book? . Something like The Secret Barrister but for the broken bits of the political process you talk about.

It would be well worth reading and I can think of lots of people who should read it.

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 09:18

Wanderabout I'm flattered but it's a big step from ramblings on the internet to turning it into something coherent. Plus not having experience is also something of a hindrance.

I will have a think this week about a concept though.

We need more of this type of thing

Caitlin Moran @ caitlainmoran
The Times has now started accompanying pieces on Donald Trump with boxes pointing out where he's been incorrect, exaggerated, or lied. Extraordinary times to be living through.

Dan Slee @ danslee
This is what journalism SHOULD look like. Not repeating verbatim but actually, y'know, reporting.

Sally Claire @ klujypop
My fave tutor at uni had a great journalism 101 lesson: “If someone says it’s raining & another person says it’s dry, it’s not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out of the f**king window and find out which is true.”

Ahem to that.

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groundcontroltomontydon · 15/07/2018 09:46

Thanks op
I posted this on another thread. It covers similar ground, examining 'how a disregard for facts, the displacement of reason by emotion, and the corrosion of language are diminishing the value of truth, and what that means for the world'.
www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/14/the-death-of-truth-how-we-gave-up-on-facts-and-ended-up-with-trump

citroenpresse · 15/07/2018 09:47

Don't agree with Cohen when he says "I am only exaggerating slightly when I say that news isn’t news here until it is covered by the BBC."

Maybe that's one of the very reasons that the BBC has become "platitudinous, frightened, and irrelevant."

The editorial framing of the early evening news is very different from Newsnight (which is more fearless but still hit or miss).

RedToothBrush · 15/07/2018 09:53

All journalism should be about speaking the truth to power. Aka fearless.

Otherwise it isn't journalism.

Newsnight has had some important and big misses on this front lately.

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FlippinFumin · 15/07/2018 11:00

To be honest I stopped believing the BBC when they reported on a meeting held for Corbyn supporters and showed a tiny crowd and said not many turned up. Truth was they had just taken a photo of one small group, and the truth was there was literally thousands of people there, massive crowds.

I always used to trust the BBC, it was my go-to news source. Some said too right wing, some said too left wing, for me that meant it was doing ok. And now? Don't know what to think as I stopped believing them on anything. Their insistence on centring Farage during Brexit, reporting as truth the shit about the money spent in Europe and the fucking battle bus.

I will not return until I can trust them again, which seems a long way off to be honest. I have spoken before about my love for language and linguistics, I can see a lie wrapped up in truth a mile off. I can see trends in language and reporting of events. And I don't bloody like it! Bring back Bill and Susanna for my morning fix of news. Wink

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