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Transman Reacts To TransgenderTrend

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TruscumTeen · 13/07/2018 14:19

Don't think I can do a clicky link, sorry:

Basically, this is a video of a transman skimming through the website and not even digesting what it says before labelling it "disgusting" and "transphobic".

I find the website very helpful, and think it's a great idea for it to be distributed around schools. There's nothing "transphobic" about it in the slightest.

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MyAuntyBadger · 13/07/2018 14:31

Why are they pretending it's the first time they're reading it? But then occasionally letting slip that "I saw this a few days ago"?

MyAuntyBadger · 13/07/2018 14:33

I feel really sorry for them though. They're so angry.

boatyardblues · 13/07/2018 14:35

Totally missing the point, but it makes a nice change to hear a transman’s voice in the debate for a change.

MillyTheKid · 13/07/2018 14:36

There's nothing "transphobic" about it in the slightest.

I guess a schools pack where every case study ends with the subject realising they were never trans in the first place, and which includes critical statements from a headteacher and a lesbian organisation with no counterbalancing statements qualifies as fair and impartial.

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 14:37

Angry and boring.
The summary if those 15mins is I hate it, it’s wrong and it looks LEGITIMATE.
I haven’t heard anything that actually explains WHY the site is wrong.

Bottom line. It’s a nice site that is well done and well documented that could actually change people mind about being transgender and what is ‘right’ to do.

Tbh it made me want to go and have a look atvte site. So maybe I should thank him??

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 14:39

Milly it might not be impartial but then is any of the trans supporting website ever impartial too?

Look at his reaction about the fact there is a page about detransitioning. As if this would never happen and is only a dream from all those bigots who dint believe in detransitioning.

So yes maybe not impartial. But nor was he or most trans supporting websites

MillyTheKid · 13/07/2018 14:45

Milly it might not be impartial but then is any of the trans supporting website ever impartial too?

I think people would be hard pushed to find anything impartial on either side of the argument, but those who say Transgender Trend is fair and balanced are either looking at it through rose-tinted spectacles or deeply dishonest. People can promote it if they want but don't lie about what it is... and, yes, I have read the whole of the school pack.

yearofthewoman · 13/07/2018 14:50

Link to transgender trend, in case anyone wants to see for themselves!

www.transgendertrend.com/

FloralBunting · 13/07/2018 14:58

He says he could easily take three hours and debunk every word on the site. Instead of that, he thought it was adequate to spend 15 minutes blowing his cheeks out and saying random disapproving words and announcing he was going to refuse to read further than a paragraph on each page because it was so boring.

And yet he announced that (of course!) he would have killed himself had the positions of Transgender Trend been the accepted approach.

If it's that important to debunk such suicide inducing stuff, Alex, why did you not bother? Could it be that you don't have a coherent answer to the things you read? And that you have a book to promote?

Batteriesallgone · 13/07/2018 15:12

I don’t get why they made the video. The whole thing makes no sense to me.

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TruscumTeen · 13/07/2018 15:15

Milly When the overwhelming majority of "trans" kids grow up to desist, it makes sense to have the case studies reflecting this reality.

Indeed Floral.

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Snappity · 13/07/2018 15:20

I haven’t heard anything that actually explains WHY the site is wrong.

Did you not listen to what he said about terminology? A site which doesn't accept that trans men are men and trans women are women and which is reluctant to use the correct pronouns is flawed from outset.

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TruscumTeen · 13/07/2018 15:26

But transman aren't men...
And transwomen aren't women...

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yearofthewoman · 13/07/2018 16:33

flawed = does not adhere to trans ideology, according to snappity.

It's self-referential.

Snappity, if everyone said the earth was flat, but you knew the evidence said it was round, would your words be "flawed" if you refused to call it flat?

Imnobody4 · 13/07/2018 16:45

Snappity
A site which doesn't accept that trans men are men and trans women are women and which is reluctant to use the correct pronouns is based in the reality not fantasy

BrexitWife · 13/07/2018 16:54

snappity personally I would have no issue with the idea that transwomen are men and transmen are women.
I would want people to respect the right pronoun.

But if the only issue is terminology, then he has very little to say about it.

Milly whilst I agree with you about the fact people shouldnt be lying about what they are, y issue is much more about the fact that

Pro trans agenda is seen as OK and ‘right’ so no need to highlight the fact it IS skewed towards the idea that being transgender is ok and all rosy (no one would ever detransitioning etc, teens should be on hormone blockers etc wo a word about the very physical risk associated with taking hormones like this for such a long time)
Pro gender critical website is signposted as been highlight skewed, against trans people etc etc

I’m not saying that any of those doesnt have any issue with it.
But it’s the one rule for One and another for the other that annoys me.

RatRolyPoly · 13/07/2018 17:12

I think he's quite clear about what he doesn't like about it; the fact that is comes entirely from the unwavering position that "trans is fake".

It positions itself as (if not neutral) at least science and evidence based, but there's no science or evidence for framing "trans" as a life choice, and one with a dangerous and mutilating influence that children should be protected from.

Pretty offensive, isn't it? I mean if you're in anyway open to the judgement of all of the medical and psychological experts and authorities in the field, worldwide, who would recognise transgenderism as a medical condition for which treatment is often in the best interests of the patient - even sometimes when that patient is a child.

pombear · 13/07/2018 17:12

I saw this the other day, when a poster was going round depositing the link on every single thread (must have helped view numbers, which is always good for a youtuber! But I was happy to view it, as I really value seeing all viewpoints in this discussion. No echo chamber mentality here.)

My takeaways were:-

there was a whole lot of argh, don't read this, it's awful, I'm not going to even bother disputing it which I find is one of the frustrations here too that many of us have, that those people who believe whole-heartedly in the trans-juggernaut, regardless of any potential casualties along the wayside, have this #nodebate attitude.

there seeemed to be an underlying fear about what if my parents had read this. 'Cos a) yeah, parents are stupid and unable to critically assess online sources b) they need to be guided towards the 'right' type of information that supports a certain point of view.

I tried to think of a similar analogy to don't read this, it's shit stuff because I'm a personal expert, so only I know the right solution for the problem.

How about this one: Evidence shows that, for some people, anti-depressant medication is really good for addressing mental health issues. For others, anti-depressant medication has such adverse side-effects that it's not a good solution and other solutions need to be found. If a person who had found resolution through medication shouted really loudly for medication via youtube videos, and dismissed any other routes as false, wrong, misinformed and likely to cause suicide if they weren't immediately put on the medication I'm on - many others would have concerns about this one-track mindset.

From other videos by this youtuber, I understand they still have ongoing issues that they're very open about. How are they so very sure that the route they're taking is the right one?

LastTrainEast · 13/07/2018 19:00

Transgender Trend are just parents trying to make facts available in a climate where we are told that only transwoman can speak to school children about trans. And only to tell them how wonderful it is and where to buy drugs to get started.

Naturally some people will panic at the thought of any facts getting into the mix.

As for the video I enjoy watching the tin foil hat videos on Youtube. Flat Earthers (very popular) Nibiru (it's going to hit us), CERN (it's changing reality), 5G (it's going to make us glow in the dark) and so on.

There's one thing they all have in common. They can't argue their case.

They will often say "oh I can prove all this but I don't want to right now" often followed by a stream of abuse.

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