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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

LGBT Labour sending out Orwellian letters to Morning Star letter signatories

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/07/2018 11:05

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This is utterly despicable. What happened to freedom of speech? The Morning Star letter asked people to debate the issues without making threats! What's so dreadful about that? I wonder if they've written to Len McCluskey in these terms.

Dear Editor,

We, the undersigned, have a variety of positions about proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act. Some of us have not yet fully formed our opinions.

We are calling for action within our movement to allow debate to take place over proposed changes to the Act.

You may be aware that on April 13 this year, an activist, Tara Wood was convicted of the assault by beating of Maria MacLachlan, a 60-year-old woman who had gathered with others in order to attend a meeting at which they could discuss the potential impact on women and girls of such a change to the law.

On March 8, an incident also occurred on a Bectu picket line in which trans activists, with no connection to the industrial dispute itself, mobbed and verbally attacked a female trade union member on the basis of having recognised her as an attendee at a similar meeting.

And in late April women in Bristol looking to meet and discuss changes to the Gender Recognition Act were met with masked activists blocking entrances to the venue, and deliberately intimidating those wishing to go inside.

More recently, a meeting organised by Woman’s Place UK was targeted with a bomb threat which Hastings Police are investigating as a serious incident.

These cases are part of systematic attempts to shut down meetings organised by women at which they can discuss potential legislative changes and the impact these may have on any sex-based rights already enshrined in law.

They draw the whole of our progressive movement into disrepute.

Some trans rights activists even continue to justify the use of violence, meaning that many women are simply too frightened to attend meetings that are both public and lawful in order that they may discuss their own rights.

Other women, including ordinary women concerned for their rights, as well as those active within the trade union movement and other political campaigns, are also now anxious and fearful that they will be subjected to such attacks when engaging in any political activity, meetings, or protests.

We are sure that, whatever your view regarding the issues around the Gender Recognition Act, you will agree that it is unacceptable for women to be made scared to engage in political life.

We, the undersigned, publicly and unequivocally condemn the use of violence or tactics of intimidation on this issue.

Yours sincerely,

morningstaronline.co.uk/article/improving-climate-debate-around-proposed-changes-gender-recognition-act The letter.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/04/len-mccluskey-signs-letter-accusing-trans-rights-activists-of-intimidation The Guardian records adverse reaction to the letter from some Labour people.

LGBT Labour sending out Orwellian letters to Morning Star letter signatories
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LetticeFortescue · 13/07/2018 12:43

Information rights under the Freedom of Information Act (FOI) remain but are only applicable to public authorities, so the Labour Party isn't covered by it. Under GDPR individuals do have a right to access their data from any org so people who have received the letter might want to ask how they got hold of their contact details and consider whether the committee had a lawful ground for processing. If no lawful ground they should complain to ICO.

OvaHere · 13/07/2018 12:43

The reporting of trans people and allies to their employers, in order to cause them problems at work.

Do we have any examples of this? After following these debates for a number of years I can't remember any being highlighted. Would they not be all over twitter?

I do recall many, many examples of the the reverse. Most recently the hounding of Kathleen Stock and calls for her employment to be terminated, specifically I believe from Roz Kaveney, one of the people who put their name to the counter letter.

LangCleg · 13/07/2018 12:53

Who on earth do they think they are talking to?

Narcs can only talk to themselves. That's why it's their Achilles heel when it comes to pushback.

AngryAttackKittens · 13/07/2018 12:54

I'm genuinely curious about how they expect Len in particular to react to this. Do they honestly think he's going to go "Oh, I'm dreadfully sorry, and I love it when randoms tell me I'm not allowed to express an opinion in a socialist paper - silly me, thinking that as the head of Unite my opinion on how the left works might be relevant. I'll pipe down now and make sure to run any future thoughts past you for approval first."?

Bi11yOneMate · 13/07/2018 12:59

Although not strictly an employer, I do believe people called on Labour to rethink their trans women's officer LM. Maybe that's what they are referring to?

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/07/2018 13:08

AAT is it not more pour encourager les autres?

And it is their classic 'we need you to say you are with us on everything. If you don't we will use that as proof that you are an evil [redacted] bigot' isn't it? They don't intend for anyone to actually ask the Morning Star to remove their name. They just want to say they 'called x out'

placemats · 13/07/2018 13:12

LM's role as a constituency women's officer is voluntary and non paid, the same as hundreds of other Labour women's officers throughout the country - though strangely none of them get to speak on national news. It was the way in which this role was obtained that was inflammatory.

BettyDuMonde · 13/07/2018 13:12

Bizarre. Lots of the signatories of the original letter are from the LGBT community themselves.

LM is only a local Labour women’s officer, CLP level. It’s an elected position and is entirely voluntary - no wage. Definitely not an employee situation.

Presumably that will be ending soon as LM has said they will be attending uni in London (and thus will not be eligible for reelection at the AGM in November).

placemats · 13/07/2018 13:12

opps! bit of a cross post there Betty

AngryAttackKittens · 13/07/2018 13:13

Logic would say so, but with this group of people? I think they may actually believe that they can bully the signatories into recanting.

BettyDuMonde · 13/07/2018 13:18

Just messaged a signatory mate of mine to see if she’s got her ‘shut up, be nice’ letter yet...

Sarahconnor1 · 13/07/2018 13:22

I think they may actually believe that they can bully the signatories into recanting

I agree because until recently people caved to every demand because they were terrified of being labelled a bigot (bigot in this case meaning anyone who doesn't agree).
It does feel like a footstamp too far and maybe the tide is starting to turn just a little.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/07/2018 13:26

Their entitlement and narcissism is breathtaking, AAK. Let them throw every toy they've ever had out of their rainbow pram. The more appalling they look the better. It's hard to get the public to blame gender critical feminists (or 8 lesbians) when the transactivists are busy showing the world precisely who they are: bullies, misogynists, homophobes and callous authoritarians.

Floisme · 13/07/2018 13:35

So they sign a letter asking for debate without intimidation - and get an intimidating letter in response?

That is glorious.

Am I right in thinking Unite are the Labour Party's biggest donor?

placemats · 13/07/2018 13:35

I really like that intelligent response from womansplaceuk, especially this:

women are increasingly afraid to organise publicly or attend meetings for fear of attack or retribution including threats to their livelihood and personal safety.

This must change.

LassWiADelicateAir · 13/07/2018 13:36

That must be a GDPR breach.

Bowlofbabelfish · 13/07/2018 13:49

You couldn’t make it up could you? A letter about intimidation met with an intimidating letter. A fist wrapped in a rainbow.

I’d be replying with an ‘OR ELSE WHAT?’

And reporting to the ICO.

placemats · 13/07/2018 13:53

It must be stressed that there are hundreds of thousands of union members who are not members of the Labour Party, do not want part of their subs donated to the Labour Party, and who wouldn't dream of voting Labour either! Women are more likely to join a union.

placemats · 13/07/2018 14:23

Lass from the twitter feed linked above:

And as someone else said this is a breach of GDPR, unless you’re a member of LGBT Labour they should not have access to your details.

ShotsFired · 13/07/2018 14:29

As a pp said...Holy Shit!

That reeks of someone thinking they speak for all and sending it out in a righteous fury.

ICO have historically been a total lame duck, but with GDPR behind them, hopefully they will be able to do something.

AsAProfessionalFekko · 13/07/2018 14:30

I would never take seriously a letter that was signed off in such a way. 'Jo Bloggs' or 'Jo Bloggs, on behalf of...' never by some nameless entity.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 13/07/2018 14:39

I love the way it's signed "Regards" - what twerps.

Threats are never a good look.

VickyEadie · 13/07/2018 20:01

SO glad I left the Labour Party, which has become completely batshit crazy.

thebewilderness · 14/07/2018 01:52

I am impressed by how many LGBT organizations leadership are coming out as homophobic misogynists.

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