I was told I "present as female". I'm feeling surprisingly irked

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This was during a conversation about why I wouldn't define myself as cis (I tend to think it's regressive stereotyping). I said that I don't really have a gender identity — I'm female, but some of my skills and interests are more traditionally masculine.

I explained this and was told that I "present obviously female". Now, I was wearing straight cut jeans, a man's cricket club t-shirt (maybe XL boys', but still — crew neck, unshaped), no makeup or jewellery and my hair was in a tight bun. So even dressed in a reasonably androgynous way I apparently present as female and can't say differently?

I feel a bit like I was reduced to my body shape (even in a sports bra it's clear I have a bosom, I have slim wrists and small hands, and a heart-shaped face) and my voice and maybe my body language. All things that are sex not gender markers?

It's just left me feeling a bit annoyed — why will he believe people who are "properly" trans/non-binary yet refuse to believe that I don't have a gender identity?

I am so sick of men telling women what they are. Currently watching an argument unfold on another site (where people are able to say what they actually think on this topic with little moderation) about the Alison Moyet thing, and its only men telling women that they ARE cis and such, regardless of what they actually feel about it all. Very bloody annoying.

www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=343296

Its interesting, that in my experience its always men telling women that they are cis. I also find it funny that the men are whingeing that women cannot change the meanings of words, when the meanings of words have been changed by men and then men kick off that women DON't want the new definitions!

Are you doublepluscis?

I could shave my head and wear a dustbin sack and it would still be obvious I was female. That's not 'presenting' that's just 'being' - and that's true for most women and men.

The trouble is that if 'presenting' is all you have, then the dustbin sack thing is an issue - you have to believe that women need to make some effort to look like women too.

How the heck does someone who is 5' 2" with 30F boobs present as anything but female?

Unless they have major surgery to multilate themselves and magically grow a few inches.

Just for the record.

This just demonstrates how women's bodies and sex are used against them, rather than anything to do with presentation or gender identity.

Seems to me there is an 'oppressed' class emerging within society that have the privilege of 'presenting' however they want, when they want, who have the right to determine what constitutes oppression against this and who are pushing for this legally. However, according to some, if you happen to have a female body, you don't belong to this class, you can't be anything other than 'cis'. No matter what you say with regards to how you identify with gender...

The wolf was cunning in Red Riding Hood and dressed to kill as well as telling her to ignore her instincts

Please wear a fake beard next time you see him?

Obviously you do get more grief if you don't look as a man or a woman "should", but this is not confined to transpeople, e.g. I'm sure I read research that said women who wear make up are more highly paid (the causation could go both ways or it could be linked to something else, but the association is still there), lesbians getting hassle, I feel out of place at a posh event as I don't like "dressing up" etc. The offence though is wanting to categorise things as male or female and implying that you are making a statement that you are just not. I'm pretty sick of the dudebros.