It's official - we all should get back into the home

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From the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-44767657

I am strictly an amateur feminist and a lurker on here but this is getting ridiculous. I am getting both furious and scared. Back to the 1950's, it's a contracting economy, so let's all blame women for everything as usual and let the men go back to taking all the freedoms they like.

What the hell can we do against both hardening social attitudes and the preference for them from the legislature?

I feel very strongly about this. All companies should have to offer all leadership opportunities as job share arrangements to both men and women.

Interestingly the guardian's version said that the trend seen in thins over years was for a generally less sexist position

It's not just companies we're fighting though. It's the attitudes that bother me, the continued attitudes that children are a woman's problem and her responsibility - usually 'fault' actually - alone.

Things are much better in Finland.

Did it Midgebabe? That would be a help. My perception is that things are getting worse. Or perhaps the misogynist voice is getting more vocal as it loses ground?

The headline on the BBC is simply that women should get back in the home. If it is just their writing then they really ought to re-learn their public responsibility level.

Legislation can change attitudes over time. We need more men in the home so people can see this as a model. They default to women because it is so often women. There will still be many families who cannot afford for either parent to work part time of course and that needs addressing too.

my perception is that at best sexually motivated violence not improving and may be getting worse, which makes the attitudes survey all the more interesting. Does it mean the sampling process is poor in the survey or does it mean society getting more extreme?

Honestly. When will the media stop making women feel guilty for whichever decision they make with stupid headlines like that?

Divide and Conquer. It feels like.

I'd like to see the questions in the survey in order to get the context. If I was asked 'should mothers of under-5s have full-time jobs' I'd say no. I'd also say no if asked should mothers of under 5s stay at home. My objection in both cases is to the word should as it implies that there is a right way to mother (and of course no mention of fathers, no surprise there).

FFS. What lazy reporting. When fathers get as guilted over leaving their kids to work, I will pay attention.

If it is purely a reporting problem, does it lie purely with the BBC, or is the BBC being used as a propaganda weapon do you think?

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jul/10/survey-finds-uk-is-abandoning-traditional-views-of-gender-roles

Under his eye Hail Giliad

so let's all blame women for everything as usual and let the men go back to taking all the freedoms they like

Presumably the respondents were 50% men and 50% women?

Don't women bear any responsibility for giving these responses?

My own experience is that it was only ever women who were judgemental about my going back to work full time and that was 27 years ago.

At work it was expected women would return, that wasn't a problem. The judgemental comments were from, sorry to say this, SAHMs.

DD1 came home from her job waiting in an upmarket pub spewing rage the other day. A customer had chatted to her about her degree and career plans before saying she shouldn't choose a man's job and should go back to sewing! She managed to contain herself and calmly tell him his views were outdated.

Of course he had a compliant wife in tow who deferred to him on everything eg menu choices etc.
I'm really glad she wasn't taking that shit and perhaps it's good for her to see it in action - preparation and all that.
Since then she has faced up the (female) manager and negotiated a pay rise for herself on the grounds of being about the most reliable member of staff. Not much - jumping up to the next level of minimum wage but a year ahead of when it would be due by birthday and I think it's a great learning achievement to do that. The more shit she gets from customers the more assertive she grows - I hope her peers are doing the same, that way there is hope for their future.

Lass I hadn't said anything about the sex of those responding. The BBC report says 3998 'representative' adults responded: I presume that there was a mix of sex. I am as disturbed by women thinking we should all get back in the home as I am men. Too many say that feminism hasn't helped women, it has just meant that women are now expected to do more work than ever - the economic work and the house work both - and immediately turn to blame women feminists rather than the men who are so bone idle and immature. The instinct is to turn and blame women for both groups.

Part-time work was judged acceptable by 38%
This sentence gave me the rage
"Acceptable". F off

The other linked report from the Guardian said that 72% disagree that 'A man's job is to earn money, a woman's job is to look after the home and family' and that the trend was for more and more people to do so, it seems that it's a question about children under five that's showing more conservative views. However we don't know what the question was or what answers respondents were given as options.

TBF wrong that was kind of obvious in the portion quoted when you said ‘let’s all blame women’

You can look at the questions in the social attitudes surveys of previous years if interested and the most recent one isn’t publicly available yet.

Equality is such an uphill battle. I think this is some shoddy reporting and I'm interested to know what the survey actually asked. I mean was it...should there be a parent in the home or should women be at home? Clearly the latter. Why though? Perhaps the respondents wanted to say they thought someone should be in the home but selecting women was the only choice (not that that necessarily makes it any better!!).

A PP said we need more men to stay at home. We do. But why is it that women are the ones at home. I very much believe that men and women should be able to work equally but personally I want to be at home. Is it possible that more women simply want to be at home?