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Why women in England can't have abortions at home - Guardian article

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enoughisenough12 · 10/07/2018 20:05

www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2018/jul/10/the-murky-truth-about-why-women-in-england-cant-have-abortions-at-home

Women are so often treated as incapable of taking responsibility for our own health.

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OurMiracle1106 · 10/07/2018 20:14

Maybe it needs to be allowed but with the understanding that someone should be with you after you have taken it in case of complications (much like you’re advised after an anaesthetic or sedation to have someone with you)

Risks and warning signs should also all be outlined. Much like after any procedure.

Fabricwitch · 10/07/2018 20:20

I can't believe women aren't trusted to do their own heart surgery at home either. In this day and age!

Ok, it's not quite the same, but women need to be monitored as there can be complications.

enoughisenough12 · 10/07/2018 20:22

Safeguards seem appropriate - having someone else with you for example.

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fuzzywuzzy · 10/07/2018 20:23

About ten years ago a friend had an abortion pill which she took and went home to finish the abortion. She ended up haemorrhaging and having to be blue lighted to hospital tho.

This was in England. So it is offered for early abortions (or was)

bigKiteFlying · 10/07/2018 20:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-44643459
The change brings Wales in line with Scotland, where women have been allowed to take the tablet at home since last year, and with other countries such as Sweden and France.

You do wonder why the risks of complication are manageable in Scotland, Wales, France and Sweden but not England.

However, I can't see the NHS keeping women in unnecessarily and I don’t think the article premise is believable that it’s to make whole process harder as a sop to anti- abortionists.

0ccamsRazor · 10/07/2018 20:58

I would much rather take the pills at home, in my own environment, feeling less stressed and having my privacy.

It should come down to individual choice, as long as there is someone friend/family/partner with a woman who can step in to get help should there be complications or an emergency.

As big points out that in other countries women can go home.

It should be a choice

PencilTroll · 10/07/2018 21:46

This is strange, I was allowed to take the pills home with me after a massive backlog in clinical abortions a couple of years ago (I'd miscarried but not passed any thing). I was only 12 weeks gone, took the pills, bled and thought that was that. Had wierd periods and some luminous discharge but thought nothing of it. Roll forward 6 months to new years eve and what I thought was abnormally painful constipation was in fact labour and after 4 of the most painful hours of my life and husband calling an ambulance a mini misformed foetus plopped into the loo.
Give me a surgical abortion any day please.

Dancingbea · 10/07/2018 21:51

If you have a miscarriage you are allowed to have the pills at home, but not for abortion. That is the absurdity. No clinical difference in the medications women need and what they will experience, but legal/moral distinction made on the basis of whether the pregnancy is ending electively or naturally.

Fabricwitch · 10/07/2018 22:05

Interesting to read these other replies, I genuinely thought there was more of a risk!!

NoProbLlama78 · 10/07/2018 22:32

I had a morning after pill a few years ago and was told I needed to take it in the clinic to prevent me from giving it to someone else. I wonder if it could be that although for the termination you are examined so a woman who needs one would have to find a pregnant woman willing to go through that check.
I do wonder if they think we are that untrustworthy though.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 10/07/2018 22:45

Fabricwitch the current english law just moves the dangers to when women are between hospital & home - they arent kept in.

Melanippe · 10/07/2018 22:49

I suspect that at least part of the reason is that they don't trust that women will take the tablets and might be trying to obtain them for women in NI where women still have no right to this form of basic healthcare.

PersonWithAVulva · 11/07/2018 15:27

I had to stay in a hospital type setting, also had to pee and crap in a bowl and write my name on it, so that medical staff could go through what I had passed to make sure everything had gone that was meant to. I can't imagine this would be safe at home? Mind I guess its not that different to a miscarriage which I did suffer at home. Just, I was told that it could cause infections and stuff if certain parts got retained, which was why I had to stay for them to check. They did not offer any pain relief or anything though, and honestly, it was more painful than actually giving birth, not sure why..some of the women there were really really ill. One was actually crawling on the floor to try and get to the loo, while medical staff ignored her. I did help her as well as I could, but the whole thing was just awful and we were made to feel we were wasting the staffs time.

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