To think men get a fantastic deal here?

[Bumpitybumper]

I've previously started a thread on this board about the biological disadvantages of being a woman however I would love some thoughts on the below which is something I have been thinking about lately.

From puberty females are burdened by their reproductive system. Alongside mensturation and associated conditions, women are also usually pumping their bodies full of hormones to control fertility (or their periods). Then a woman falls pregnant and has to run the gauntlet of a whole array of nasty pregnancy symptoms and conditions before giving birth whilst adhering to the whole not drinking or eating restricted foods advice. Some women breeze through birth but many end up with horrendous experiences and complications that can leave long term or permanent mental and physical damage. In the aftermath most women will attempt to breastfeed and potentially struggle with associated pain and sleep deprivation, not to mention feelings of guilt/failure if it all doesn't work out. Finally at the end of women's reproductive years they then must go through the menopause which can wreak havoc of women's lives and health.

Men on the other hand will mostly have sex and then be in a (hopefully) supportive role for the rest.

Basically biology dictates that men have the far easier ride. If women moan about this they are usually met with responses of "well that's just the way it is" and of course that is ultimately true, but yet the assumption that any babies that are the result of such a biased biological process are equally the father's and mother's is surely questionable? Yes genetically the child is 50:50 but surely more acknowledgement should be given to who has actually sacrificed the most and had basically taken on responsibility for the whole process?

Why is it assumed men can benefit equally from the fruits of the elements women's reproductive biology that ultimately disadvantage us?

Educated?! Fucking hell....

Money is not the only responsibility men have to their DC.

The battle is getting men to commit time and care to DC. There is already a perception that father = providing money and that is all.

Maybe it’s you that needs to be ‘educated’ about why for many women it is better to be poor than to ask an ex for money... fucking hell...

Yes educated as them rejecting the money plunges themselves and their DC into further poverty. Education is how we change mindsets. Women shouldn't be too 'proud' to accept money they are owed.

Do you know why many women say they are too proud to ask for money?

Because they know the man is a shit and will use the money to barge into their children’s lives and fuck them up or because they know the shitty man is already in their children’s lives and the money will cause conflict, running away or act as a way to impose control.

Many men use spurious contact cases as revenge against women who claim child maintenance... many men deliberately fuck women about with the money... many men think children are pay per view when child maintenance is involved...

Many many men resent paying a tiny amount of money 1000x more than they love their children.

And many women choose relative poverty but relative stability for their children within the confines of this system.

I don’t think you will get very far with ‘educating’ them about their own realities.

You seem to know an awful lot of men.

Or perhaps I have the ability to read research...

but not to understand it, perhaps.

I know a woman whose husband went self-employed to avoid child maintenance. It took a year, but she got him on "lifestyle not commensurate with declared earnings" or whatever they call it. He paid for a month and then fucked off to work in Spain so he didn't have to pay. After another year, nobody had managed to make him pay and she gave up because the stress on her and the upset for the kids/the deceit trying to hide it from the kids wasn't worth the cash. Then he came back to the UK.

And he still barges in with a twenty quid note on their birthdays (or y'know, a few days late), thinking it's the most wonderful largesse, without regard that it starts the upset for the kids all over again. If they don't look sufficiently grateful, he gets pissy and storms out.

Never underestimate the depths of wankiness men can sink to.

Well sawdust, why don’t you actually make an argument? Popping up on threads to sling an insult but not articulate a counter argument just makes you look like you don’t actually have any arguments...