Ireland: small numbers but large quango funding

[sandy259]

I don't know if anyone else saw this yesterday but in 3 years only 297 people in Ireland have applied for gender recognition certificates. www.thejournal.ie/gender-recognition-act-4111519-Jul2018/

I was curious how much government funding was going to the main transgender quango TENI for such a tiny population. According to this (benefacts.ie/org/5acfa0e7-9d91-4c32-8f0f-b181fd7ebbdb) in 2016, they received Government Funding of €195,022. If we assume that the 297 people who have gotten GRC's are the entire trans population then that is €656.64 pp or if say for example there are more than 3 times that amount so lets say 1,000 people it would be €195.02pp just for an agency to provide support and information.

By contrast the main traveller quango which serves a population of 30,987 has government funding of €1,244,180 or €40.15 p.p (benefacts.ie/org/e89c942b-72d1-412d-8bf1-c041f0f477d4/natonal-traveller-partnership-company-limited-by-guarantee).

Yes, the Travelling community are very badly supported as a minority group in Ireland. Are you planning something to support them? It’s about time someone spoke up.

Thanks for asking, I do support them, I take part in a local club that helps disadvantaged children with their homework, the majority are travellers at certain times of the year

Wow sandy i wonder what they're doing with the money?!

Your maths are all over the place. Most surveys around the world put the trans population at anything between 0.5% and 3%.

Here in the uk it is assumed the trans population is around 0.75% at around 500,000 which is a conservative estimate.

Ireland would have a trans population of at least ~ 50,000

For your figures to be remotely true Ireland would need to buck a worldwide trend and only have 0.005% of the population trans

some stats..

Ireland would have a trans population of at least ~ 50,000

So that would mean in a country with one of the most liberal regimes, there are at least 49,703 people who are trans but have not filled out a form (no medical diagnosis needed) to change gender?

So in your scenario only 0.6% of trans people have bothered to get a certificate but my figures are way off?

yes only 300 have got a birth certificate, and its a tiny percentage of the actual trans population, thats no suprise, it's the same everywhere self-id or not.

Here's the shock, it only affects very few things such as birth certificates etc as trans people have been trying to tell you, and a lot of the trans population think it should be streamlined, but it is very low on the list of priorities, however the government has decided to go in this direction, and all the hyperbole is from those fuelled by anti-trans nonsense.

The estimate of the trans population of ireleand being only those who have a grc is nonsense.

I'm as gender critical as they come but I don't consider 297 people in three years to be a small number.

I have heard that 500,000 figure a lot and wondered where it comes from?

Also, does that figure only include transsexuals who could get a GRC under the current system (but who maybe choose not to because of the bureaucracy or because they don’t see the benefits) or does it include people who fall under the wider trans umbrella (e.g trans-women without dysphoria, non-binary folks etc)?

The estimate of the trans population of ireleand being only those who have a grc is nonsense.

Which is why I tripled the number in the OP. The HSE has their numbers estimated as 1 in 4000 people (0.025%) (www.hse.ie/eng/health/az/g/gender-dysphoria/treating-gender-dysphoria.html) receiving treatment for gender dysphoria which I know doesn't equal trans but even at that its just over a thousand people not all of whom are trans and you want me to believe that they're are 49k other people who are trans and not receiving any medical care or have changed any documents.

We're obviously not going to agree on this, your number is almost 50 times mine. I'm using numbers generated by Ireland and you're applying international estimates that don't seem to be corroborated by the data so lets just leave it there.

Here's the shock, it only affects very few things such as birth certificates etc as trans people have been trying to tell you, and a lot of the trans population think it should be streamlined, but it is very low on the list of priorities
So what exactly is high on their list of priorities?

The numbers that garam mentioned need to be treated with caution. Although it's undoubtedly true that more kids are identifying as trans, it's also true that some kids are being mischievous in their responses.

There is a nice article on this:
journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.3102/0013189X14534297

It shows that many kids who called themselves transgender also said that they had 2 or more children, were very tall, etc. 31% of them also claimed to be blind!

You don't know much about Ireland if you think that's an expensive quango... I think the first time buyer mortgage support one came to something like €25,000 per assisted mortgage!

The numbers are hard to gather. How do you account for, say, the young daughter of someone I know, who in the past two years has variously declared herself trans, queer, non binary and currently lesbian. There's so much daft labelling going on with teens and students, it's rendered terms like "trans" meaningless.

TENI are very well funded and it would be interesting to know by whom.

Thread following the referendum result and some TRAs lobbying re the word woman in new policy & legislation.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3265165-Well-it-s-happened-the-trans-activists-have-waded-into-the-8th-amendment-issue-in-Ireland

OP AngeloMysterioso comment:

"And are apparently pushing for the language in the repeal legislation to be “gender neutral”.

Quote from the article- gcn.ie/queer-activists-push-inclusive-language-upcoming-abortion-bill/

“Despite what some may believe, men can become pregnant too. There are tens of thousands of transgender men and non-binary people in Ireland who can conceive, and when speaking about reproductive healthcare, we must always be mindful of that.

“It’s imperative that newly written legislation uses inclusive language. By including this, trans men and non binary people will not hit legal barriers should they need to receive an abortion. By using the term pregnant people in new legislation, as well as protecting women, we are also protecting and respecting all gender identities should a crisis pregnancy occur.”

So. That’s nice. Thousands upon thousands of women have suffered, many have died, because of bullshit like the 8th amendment. And after fighting so hard for so fucking long and finally winning the right to bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, if the TAs get their way, we get to be referred to as pregnant people

I’m a bit of a TERF at the best of times but this is beyond fucking insulting. Savita Halappanavar wasn’t a pregnant person. Michelle Harte wasn’t a pregnant person. Sheila Hodges wasn’t a pregnant person.

If the TDs capitulate and let this happen I will be really pissed off."

Actually they were pregnant people. I’ve been a pregnant person. It’s nothing bad.

Really @hideandgo. I look forward to your campaign to gender-neutralise the HSE's literature about testicular and prostate cancer, which will remind us of those "people with balls and prostates", and that we need to include women in the definition of men.

Not holding my breath though.

Huh Pachy? So because I’ve no problem with being a pregnant person in written documents It’s my job to campaign for wording changes for everyone😂

No but if you're going to roll over for TRAs who have bullied countless women's health orgs into using gender neutral language, you should realise that the aggressive demands are only going in one direction.

Glad you find it so hilarious though.