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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A Good Article - "Trans rights should not come at the cost of women’s fragile gains"

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DistanceCall · 06/07/2018 01:26

Retweeted by Sali Hughes:

www.economist.com/open-future/2018/07/05/trans-rights-should-not-come-at-the-cost-of-womens-fragile-gains

"Too often, gender neutrality is accomplished by neutralising services or analyses centred on women. But it is also important to understand that, far from loosening the shackles of gender, modern trans ideology often tightens them. Feminism offers the radical proposition that what you like, what you wear and who you are should not be dictated by your chromosomes, hormones or any other marker of biological sex. Trans ideology reverses that. Perhaps men do like beer and women can’t read maps, runs the theory, but some individuals have simply been assigned to the wrong category. "

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Floorplan · 06/07/2018 04:58

Great article, thanks Distance

Floorplan · 06/07/2018 05:22

This article mentions an issue that I hadn't specifically considered before: the noxious notion that crimes of paedophilia may be recorded as having been committed by women where the perpetrator identifies as being a transwoman. We cannot allow this misappropriation.

CoteDAzur · 06/07/2018 05:27

"There is a word for a situation where women talking about female bodies is considered impermissibly antisocial, where describing the consequences of sexism for women is systematically impeded, where resources for women are redistributed to male users while resources for men are left in male hands, and where “male” and “female” are rigidly associated with masculinity and femininity. That word is not “progressive”, “liberal” or any of the other terms usually associated with trans activism. The word is misogyny. Trans rights should not come at the cost of women’s fragile gains. "

^ This.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/07/2018 06:28

Note that this piece by Sarah Ditum is part of a series of 10 over 2 weeks. I think The Economist has a limit on how many articles you can access for free so may not be possible to read them all without subscription?

Good broad covering of the issues in that piece.

heresyandwitchcraft · 06/07/2018 06:36

Thanks for this, and thanks to Sarah for writing the piece.

UglyCathKidstonBag · 06/07/2018 06:40

What a well throughout article.

Did Sali Hughes face abuse for tweeting the link?

stillathing · 06/07/2018 06:44

It would be great if Sali Hughes could get some gender critical stuff into The Pool..... I used to enjoy that website for a quick read.

pachyderm · 06/07/2018 06:54

Sali Hughes? Wow. The cool girl gang on Twitter are really dipping their toes in the gender critical water aren't they? Wink

bigoldscaredycat · 06/07/2018 06:55

Great that Sali Hughes has retweeted this!! Maybe Caitlin Moran will be next?

DryHeave · 06/07/2018 07:29

A really fantastic article and distillation of so many disparate strands into a firm & fair conclusion.

birdbandit · 06/07/2018 07:30

Great article. I'm incredulous that folk just don't "get" the problems with this.

enoughisenough12 · 06/07/2018 07:40

That's a really excellent incisive article. What a good writer she is. Hopefully this will be shared widely!

Dragoncake · 06/07/2018 08:01

That article is wonderful. It might persuade me to renew my subscription and read the series.

stillathing · 06/07/2018 08:21

Misogyny. It's great there was already a word for all of this.

OvaHere · 06/07/2018 08:23

This article mentions an issue that I hadn't specifically considered before: the noxious notion that crimes of paedophilia may be recorded as having been committed by women where the perpetrator identifies as being a transwoman. We cannot allow this misappropriation.

I believe this has already happened. There was a young man upset in the press because his trans abuser was not placed in the sex offenders program because such a program only existed for males (due to there not being enough demand to have one for women).

I'm sure someone else will remember the details and the article.

TerfsUp · 06/07/2018 08:26

Great article by Sarah Ditum.

(Sorry, I don't know the article referred to by OvaHere.)

DistanceCall · 06/07/2018 09:47

Did Sali Hughes face abuse for tweeting the link?

The link was originally posted by Ian Martin, a scriptwriter (and Sali Hughes retweeted his tweet).

He got a mix of responses:

twitter.com/IanMartin/status/1014926466512023552

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Waddlelikeapenguin · 06/07/2018 10:34

Great article.
ova I know the article you mean & tried to find it but alas I am without Rowan's skills!

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