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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sex vs gender Equality Act 2010

25 replies

junerat · 05/07/2018 21:24

I am helping a school draft its equality policy, and just wanted to ratify my understanding of the Equality Act, which is that:

  • Sex is a protected characteristic
  • Gender is not.

(Caveat that I understand that transitioned gender is also a protected characteristic.)

Is that correct?

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Ereshkigal · 05/07/2018 21:28

Sex is a protected characteristic

Gender reassignment is a protected characteristic

Ereshkigal · 05/07/2018 21:29

Transitioning isn't clearly defined. So is generally interpreted as anyone who identifies as the opposite sex (gender)

junerat · 05/07/2018 21:32

Thank you. The policy is not about gender reassignment (although it mentions gender reassignment as a protected characteristic).

I believe the policy is conflating gender and sex, referring to gender as a protected characteristic, and I just want to make sure it's accurate.

Gender itself is not then - I think we agree - a protected characteristic in and of itself, but sex is. Thanks.

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Melamin · 05/07/2018 21:41

Yep definitely it is Sex that is a protected characteristic, not gender.

'Gender Reassignment' is one though.

So is disability and others - don't forget them.

BettyDuMonde · 05/07/2018 21:42

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/publication-download/what-equality-law-means-you-education-provider-schools

Everything you need is on here (I’ve linked to the specific ‘schools’ page)

junerat · 05/07/2018 21:44

@Melamin Absolutely; it's not that I'm ignoring other protected characteristics. There was just a suspected use of the word "gender" where I was fairly sure they meant "sex" but I just wanted to clarify with you experts before I flagged it as incorrect (and made myself look stupid).

I did read the Equality Act, and that was my understanding of it too, but it's always good to get expert hive minds for clarfiication.

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junerat · 05/07/2018 21:47

@BettyDuMonde Excellent, thank you.

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Snappity · 05/07/2018 22:08

You are correct that the word used for the protected characteristic is sex but the precise meaning is unclear.

littlbrowndog · 05/07/2018 22:10

Lols snappity

Melamin · 05/07/2018 22:11

You are correct that the word used for the protected characteristic is sex but the precise meaning is unclear

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Cascade220 · 05/07/2018 22:12

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MIdgebabe · 05/07/2018 22:13

Sweet dreams snappity

BettyDuMonde · 05/07/2018 22:14

Snappity, school kids don’t have GRCs so in this particular instance the 2004 act is irrelevant (unless a staff member has one and then you’d need the pdf for ‘employers’ to ensure they were being correctly provided for).

Ereshkigal · 05/07/2018 22:14

What Snappity means is that a small group of biological males are also included in the legal definition of sex: female for most purposes. Because of the legal fiction of the GRA.

junerat · 05/07/2018 22:17

And there was me thinking I was asking a non-controversial, factual question... Grin

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littlbrowndog · 05/07/2018 22:20

I tink there is some stuff that someone can link u to on ur question.

Something like gender trend for schools

MIdgebabe · 05/07/2018 22:23

Except that even then they can be excluded from single sex spaces it appropriate / proportionate

Floorplan · 05/07/2018 22:25

Little are you irish

Floorplan · 05/07/2018 22:27

Kids don't get gras do they thoShock

enoughisenough12 · 05/07/2018 22:27

I'm sure you've seen this but just in case:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/719398/Gender-separation-guidance.pdf

It's new guidance for schools reminding them of their legal responsibilities when separating the sexes. Some useful points about the law in terms of offering single sex provisions and a helpful reminder that schools MUST provide sex segregated toilets and washing facilities.

littlbrowndog · 05/07/2018 22:30

Naw Scottish
I just went on the baby names bit off here

Omg it’s makes the feminist place here look fairly uncontinoius

littlbrowndog · 05/07/2018 22:31

Compleytl unrealted bollocks from me sorry. But omg the baby nsme# place

bd67th · 05/07/2018 23:25

@enoughisenough I wonder how the fishy charity will take that new guidance?

The cynic in me suspects it's the Govt attempting damage limitation: if too many schools adopt the fishy guidance, the public will notice and then the GRA reform will become politically disastrous.

Ofew · 05/07/2018 23:59

The precise meaning of sex in the EA is not unclear. It's defined in section 11:

"In relation to the protected characteristic of sex—
(a) a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a man or to a woman;
(b) a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons of the same sex."

I'm boringly interested in setting out exactly what the law says. However I like how littlebrown and melamin put it.

No protected characteristic of gender in the EA.

Ofew · 06/07/2018 00:01

I've never been to baby names. It's hot and I can't sleep so I'm going to take a look now...

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