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James Kirkup 'Labour and Tories finally see the truth about the gender debate'

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R0wantrees · 04/07/2018 15:12

You might not have noticed that yesterday the Government announced possible changes to the Gender Recognition Act. That’s what ministers wanted: the announcement was carefully made late in the day and was partly obscured by an earlier promise to ban “conversion therapy” that tries to stop gay people being gay.

Why did the Government bury its transgender announcement? The approach was very different last autumn when the Prime Minister herself fronted a prominent media drive which Tory spinners said showed that the Conservatives were inclining towards a system of “self-identified” gender. Yesterday, by contrast, ministers released a deliberately neutral set of consultation questions and kicked decisions on reform into early 2019 by saying the consultation will be open until late October. Conservatives who once rushed to embrace the reforms sought by some transgender lobbying groups are now — behind all their nice words — moving much more cautiously.

So what changed between the autumn of 2017 and this week? There are two factors, one public, one largely private. The public change was brought about by women. Quite a lot of them worry about a system that allows male-born people to take on the legal status of women (transwomen) and thus access spaces and services that the law reserves for women. Especially when some of those transwomen retain male genitalia.

For all that some people suggest it’s somehow prurient or distasteful to talk about penises in this debate, there is, as Nick Robinson put it in some excellent interviews on the Today Programme yesterday, no way to avoid this. The simple fact is that people with penises, whatever word we use to describe those people, are biologically different to people without penises, and that difference matters to many women in a way that cannot be dismissed as bigotry... (continues)

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/labour-and-tories-finally-see-the-truth-about-the-gender-debate/

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Writersblock2 · 04/07/2018 17:51

Thank you, James. We need this!

BettyDuMonde · 04/07/2018 17:53

Wow. Yes.

James Kirkup 'Labour and Tories finally see the truth about the gender debate'
tobee · 04/07/2018 17:56

Feeling hopeful but it's not done and dusted yet!

invisibleoldwoman · 04/07/2018 18:02

Thank you Mr Kirkup. I too have subscribed to The Spectator as a result of your articles.

BeyondRaggydoll · 04/07/2018 18:09

Yay for James Kirkup, again Star

FlippinFumin · 04/07/2018 18:16

This isn’t a niche issue, a sideline interest for a few activists and obsessives. This is about how politics works. It’s time for the people who stay quiet to start talking

Thank you James, your speaking out is very much appreciated. Also, thank you to the signatories of the letter to the Morning Star Flowers

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 04/07/2018 18:23

Yeah - luffs you James. Halo

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 04/07/2018 18:25

Oh, God bless you, James. My hero.

Floisme · 04/07/2018 19:57

Thank you James, much appreciated.

TerfsUp · 04/07/2018 19:58

Hooray for James Kirkup and The Spectator.

boatyardblues · 04/07/2018 21:26

Star Star Star Star Star James. Another top notch analysis of the current state of affairs. Thank tou so much for continuing to challenge the silencing of women on this issue. 🍺

hipsterfun · 04/07/2018 22:05

Thank you, James Flowers

QuarksandLeptons · 04/07/2018 22:11

Thank you James. I’m going to subscribe to the Spectator on the basis of your articles

Sparkyduchess · 04/07/2018 22:37

He is consistently excellent on this topic, this was particularly brilliant

boatyardblues · 04/07/2018 22:49

Spectator subscribers: what are the comments like under the article?

MnerXX · 05/07/2018 07:36

Excellent article. Thank you. I feel another email to my mp coming on (3rd one on this subject). I will send them the link to this article.

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PersonWithAVulva · 05/07/2018 11:57

MPs say a recent meeting of the Parliamentary Labour Party saw many Labour women airing doubts.

So happy to hear this. Though a bit concerned that, again, its only women speaking out, men MUST be able to see the issues, but don't they care?

With the exception of a select few, it seems men stay silent on the issue, when them speaking out would halt this madness in a second I think (though it shouldn't be that way) PLUS they can speak out without recieving endless abuse.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 05/07/2018 23:58

I love this article. I think it is my new favourite article.

Thank you, James.

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