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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why can't transmen inherit over males?

114 replies

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 15:44

Why is this the exception to 'trans people ARE the opposite sex they identify as?'

Looks like genderism to me and extremely transphobic.

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SardinesAreYum · 03/07/2018 19:23

Not RTFT or even the OP.

Because Patriarchy.

Now going to read and see if I got full marks for my answer Grin

SardinesAreYum · 03/07/2018 19:27

Errol has the right answer in the post just before mine.

hackmum · 03/07/2018 19:52

I have never heard of Earl Ferrers before but I find myself quite endeared to him.

hackmum · 03/07/2018 19:57

Feminists: We mustn't allow men identifying as women into women-only spaces because men would abuse it.

TRAs: That would totally never happen.

Feminists: We should therefore allow women identifying as men become priests and have the right to primogeniture.

TRAs: We can't possibly allow that because women would abuse it.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 03/07/2018 21:04

This thread has cheered me up today. Special thanks to Snappity Smile

TheRollingCrone · 03/07/2018 21:06

Hackmum Grin Queen!

Summed up psst* Men - we see you!

Waddlelikeapenguin · 03/07/2018 21:09

FermatsTheorem
**

That was the sound of my irony-meter exploding. It has now been replaced by the gentle flutter of cardboard drifting to the floor, which I think must be the sound of Snappity's house of cards collapsing round Snappity's ears.

Grin

Thank you for this thread it's cheered me right up snap

Melamin · 03/07/2018 21:13

I have never heard of Earl Ferrers before but I find myself quite endeared to him.

Sadly, he does not seem to be around any more. Sad

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/politics-obituaries/9675982/Earl-Ferrers.html

pombear · 03/07/2018 21:18

Ohhh, I was off to bed, but this:

Because if someone could change sex to get a peerage and a multi-million pound estate there's potential for abuse

Really ? The only time transing could be potentially used for abuse is for money?

Ha ha ha plop (Sound of me laughing my head off!)

anotherpersona · 03/07/2018 21:22

"The choice here is between what some people think and what all of us can see. We should choose what all of us can see." Lord Tebbitt nailed it. Taken from @OlennasWimple Lords discussion link on P1.

DickTERFin · 03/07/2018 21:37

Oh of course Snappity thinks it should be deleted.

It's easy to concede something that barely anybody relies on, in order to uphold the status quo. In the history of forever, the likelihood of a woman going so far as to actually transition to a man in order to inherit a peerage is going to be as rare as hen's teeth. It's like me offering everybody here a lift in my flying car to anywhere they wanted to go. Very generous of me, but I don't own Chitty Fucking Bang-Bang so aint gonna actually happen.

Not so true of a predator transitioning in order to access their preferred victims though - funny that.

SunnyintheSun · 03/07/2018 22:03

Brilliant thread, just brilliant.

I think I might start campaigning for the removal of the religious based exemptions because ‘transmen are men’.

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 22:20

like me offering everybody here a lift in my flying car to anywhere they wanted to go. Very generous of me, but I don't own Chitty Fucking Bang-Bang so aint gonna actually happen

GrinGrin

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poshme · 03/07/2018 23:04

The reason this is still law is because the MPs know that the House of Lords would never pass a Bill that allows a woman to become a man to claim a title.
That's it. HoL looking after their own (men)

Beamur · 03/07/2018 23:12

Such irony. But what an excellent comparison.

TheRollingCrone · 04/07/2018 09:57

Still can't stop smiling at this : Women ID as men to abuse inheritance laws, BUT predatory men would never do the same to abuse women & girls.
Haaaa Haaaa!

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 04/07/2018 10:05

At least it shows the absolute hypocrisy at play.

IfyouseeRitaMoreno · 04/07/2018 10:07

And the irony is that the primogeniture laws are unjust towards women anyway. So you know any woman falsely IDing as a man would be doing so to get equality.

Can’t have that can we?

CaptainBrickbeard · 04/07/2018 10:13

It would be hilarious except it’s deadly serious and depressing. I was cheered up by Snappity’s amazing hypocrisy but it’s an example of how misogynistic the world is and how willing so many people are to expose women to the risk of abuse but care desperately about protecting men’s money and men’s status.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 04/07/2018 10:32

actual lol
wipes tear

Thanks Snappity you're on fire tonight!

OlennasWimple · 04/07/2018 11:53

Hackmum - Ferrers is a great pub quiz answer, having held office in every Conservative government between 1962 and 1997, and then one of the 90 elected hereditary peers that stayed in the Lords in 1999. Unforunately he died in 2012.

However, Lord Tebbitt is still around, and is very accessible (his Telegraph column is worth reading if only to see how he engages with BTL comments). It would be interesting to know if his views have changed since the debate in which he said that giving birth was a pretty clear way to tell if someone was female...

PetraDelphiki · 04/07/2018 12:04

I still think we should be raising this every single time someone says twaw and have to be treated identically. If the law can make exceptions for when trans men are not actually men then there is no reason we can’t have laws for when natal sex not gender feels matters!

TalkingintheDark · 04/07/2018 12:22

Why? As others have said, because everybody KNOWS you can’t really, actually change sex. Because everybody KNOWS that whatever you do with it ultimately, being born with a penis makes you more important than those born without one. It’s just there. Just a fact of life in patriarchal society.

Why is Queen Elizabeth’s husband Prince Phillip and not King Phillip? Because King trumps Queen. If a man is the hereditary monarch, his wife is automatically Queen, because as a queen her status is still lower than his = doesn’t threaten or lessen his. But if a woman is the hereditary monarch, her husband cannot be a king. His status would then be higher than hers, so it cannot be allowed.

Because all other things being equal, those born with a penis are more important, count for more, than those born with a vagina.

And even if Princess Charlotte had been born first, this rule would still have applied, so despite the apparent equality in succession now, the monarchy still embodies the values of patriarchy.

And obviously, status in the monarchy is going to personally affect even fewer of us than succession in the aristocracy(!) but this is one of those strands of misogyny that stands out when you look at it closely and see that absolute reality of male primacy woven into the fabric of our society; the unquestioning acceptance of it that permeates our culture through and through.

TalkingintheDark · 04/07/2018 12:23

Oh and great work, Snappity! Magnificent own goal there 😂

Datun · 04/07/2018 12:36

TalkingintheDark

It's everywhere. Absolutely everywhere.

It's like suddenly being able to look through the matrix. Profoundly disturbing.

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