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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans-Time? An allegory for this debate

63 replies

heresyandwitchcraft · 30/06/2018 12:40

Hi Mumsnet. I wrote something, as "comic relief," after seeing a comparison between time and gender. And I thought, huh, they're probably not that different after all. It got a little long, but wanted to share it with you.

Trans-time is time?

What the “trans-time debate” seemed like it could be back then…

Sally: Good afternoon Greg!

Greg: Hi Sally! Listen, I have something I need to tell you. It’s actually my evening. For medical reasons, my day-time will officially be your night-time from now on… I am trans-time. My doctor has diagnosed me with time-dysphoria. For a long while, I have felt deeply uncomfortable with living in this time zone. The only way for me to live a happy life is if I adopt the time zone of a country across the globe.

Sally: Wait… what?

Greg: Yes, being trans-time with time-dysphoria means that I must change my current diurnal rhythm to match my internal identity. I experience time differently. The best way to alleviate my symptoms is by transitioning from day to night. I realize it’s hard to understand, but if you wouldn’t mind using neutral terms like “hello,” or considering saying “good evening” to me when it’s your daytime, I would greatly appreciate it.

Sally: Umm… Just to be clear, what time do you think it is right now?

Greg: Well, intellectually I know that it’s actually 12 noon! The sun is exceptionally hot and bright today! But internally… I feel it is midnight. It’s a mismatch that affects me greatly. For some reason my diurnal rhythm is much more closely suited to a time zone across the globe. I feel incredibly tired right now yet will be wide-awake in 12 hours. Despite trying everything I cannot seem to fix this. So I am going to switch my lifestyle to follow this clock inside myself. I’m looking to gain new friends over the internet in countries across the world, look at trans-time specific needs, and still try and blend in with society the best I can. I know I’ll need to make adjustments like vitamin D supplements, probably look into sunlight alternatives. I am even considering donating to charity the some of the pay rise I’ll get for only working the traditional “antisocial hours”… because… well, I’ll see myself as working normal hours.

Sally: I don’t really understand, but if this is something you’ve worked out with your doctor, and is the only thing that will make you happy, then you do you. I’ll try my best to be polite, to use neutral greetings. I’ll try not to deliberately hurt you, but I don’t think I will be able to fully understand the concept of your night being my day, or go along with it completely... Because I just… I can’t say that noon the same as midnight. Sorry about that. Besides, I’ll really miss having you around at lunch.

Greg: That’s okay, Sally… I get it. I appreciate you listening to me with an open mind. I’m happy we could find at least some middle ground. Hopefully we can keep talking and understand each other’s perspectives better.

Sally: Thanks Greg. Can we still go for a cup of tea every once in a while? Perhaps in my mornings… which I guess are your… evenings?

Greg: Of course. Tea is completely independent of time zones.

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homefromthehills · 30/06/2018 22:20

As one of the first kind of trans timers I enjoyed that immensely.

Very clever and from my perspective pretty spot on.

But its now time for breakfast, so good morning.

Mummyoflittledragon · 30/06/2018 22:21

Excellent thread. I just wish more mumsnetters had seen it ! And see what any pro extreme trans people think

homefromthehills · 30/06/2018 22:25

Mummy, they are all off to bed pretending they have insomnia because it is really 10.30 am.

ApplesinmyPocket · 30/06/2018 22:26

heresyandwitchcraft that's really brilliant. Just so .. spot-on!

TokenBritPoshOfCourse · 30/06/2018 23:15

I’m really looking forward to getting up tomorrow at 7am (midday in cistime). I will be all virtuous about being up early on a Sunday and will report my family (especially the dog) for literal violence if they disturb me before then.

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 10:19
Grin
WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 01/07/2018 10:26

Good evening.

Something should be done about TV scheduling - it just doesn't suit relaxing before bed.

Bloodmagic · 01/07/2018 13:46

Honestly even original greg seems like a bit of a tool ;)

womanformallyknownaswoman · 01/07/2018 13:47

Time's up for those who believe in sex change. They're just too annal that's their problem.

And just to reiterate if you want a meeting with them it's got to be on their time - at 120 past day.

aaagghhhhh -

A brilliant analogy - very funny. It's a little bittersweet for me personally as I'm in the wrong time zone and no one will beam me up - but I've don't have the inflated entitlement to insist on my right for an aircraft to be chartered all for me, at other's expense, plus use social media to stir up a mob to accuse others of ignoring my timerights

GeraldineFangedVagine · 01/07/2018 13:56

This is amazing.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 14:01

They're just too annal that's their problem.
You've all had me cackling for this unspecified period of time.
Thank you.
Grin

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happydappy2 · 01/07/2018 14:14

Very clever-like it a lot

DuchessOMalley · 01/07/2018 14:26

This is genius! Can anyone see any flaws in this? It's the perfect analogy and I can't imagine anyone not being peaked after reading it. Well done OP!

BiologyNotBigotry · 01/07/2018 14:31

It's 5 o'clock somewhere.... & that "somewhere" is definitely my timezone after reading all that! Gin

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 02/07/2018 13:02

Good night all. It's a late one.

loveyouradvice · 02/07/2018 14:15

Love it! Smile

ALittleBitofVitriol · 03/07/2018 02:55

Haha Well done!

Can I be time fluid? Or non binary time? How dare you assume AM or PM!!! I express my inner time sense through Ptolemaic concentric circles, my time demarcations are 'spheriam' and 'spheripm'
When I am eating cereal, I'm expressing my spheriam. When it's steak, spheripm. But don't just assume, because it's not about stereotypical meals! Sometimes I eat cereal for dinner at cis-7am you bigot!

NewWomensMovement · 30/09/2018 22:24

Bumping for those who didn't see it before.

silentcrow · 30/09/2018 22:46

That's very good!

I am actually endi though - a non-diurnal night owl. My natural brain rhythms have waking times of 10am-2am and I resent being forced into everyone else's standard working hours, it's serious discrimination. My preferred pronouns are twit/twoo/eek, except on Saturdays when I identify as a lark and get up at 6am in order to cosplay as a fish. Hmm

Budgieinaberet · 30/09/2018 23:14

Genius Wine

IdaBWells · 01/10/2018 00:00

[Grin] fabulous!

IdaBWells · 01/10/2018 00:00

GrinWink opps!

Uncreative · 01/10/2018 05:20

That is an awesome analogy!

BeetrootBonanza · 01/10/2018 07:25

This is amazing.

If this was put on Twitter pseudo-seriously - how many people would agree with and support it, and how many people would feel confident to be openly critical of it?

KatVonGulag · 01/10/2018 07:27

Good one!