Heads up to all ManFriday members

[SwearyG]

Our membership list has been leaked online.

Please do what you need to in order to keep yourselves safe.

I'm going with Revealing being one of the data professionals making a lot of moola by convincing small organisations that they need a wagonload of paperwork in place or the ICO will ruin them.

Just to clarify a couple of things that came up since my last post:

1 At this point, FB group admins do NOT hold any GDPR related responsibility for any content in their groups or for data held by fb on groups members. Fb have been explicit about this. I'd hate for group admins to go away from this thread thinking they need to leave the platform because of bogus GDPR bogeymonsters.

2 The person who shared the list does not appear to have broken any fb t&c. Happy to be corrected inthst if someone can find it, but I've had a good hunt through and can't find it mentioned anywhere.

3 The person who shared the list does not appear to have breached any data protection either. The only material fact made public was the membership of the group, and the public profile data. Their membership of the group would be held to be FB data, and there is no committment anywhere in their terms to treat group memberships as private personal information. It will be covered by their usual caveat that anything you post or do on fb belongs to them and unless you specifically make it private it's fair game. Since group membership cannot be hidden from other members of the group by joining the group you consent to them knowing you are in it.

Reveal I get where you're coming from and I'm sure it's a good place. If it helps, I was accused of scaremongering earlier this week for saying that GC activists were leaving themselves vulnerable to infiltration and malicious allegations. I totally want to go nur nur nur nur told you so, but then I worried that someone would decide I'd done it all just to prove my point or something equally daft. I do agree that there is a certain amount of naivety around the likelihood of malicious accusations and hence police interest, but I don't think GDPR is a realistic concern for them at this point.

It has to be a member of the group to have leaked membership list...so someone in the group has done this

Yes but the person must have been a member of the group surely to have access to the list of members...which means a member has done this?

I wouldn't want to be facebook admin of any group that has any kind of presence outside of facebook.

Manfriday have a website and a real life presence. They blur the lines at that point - if all you did was only ever on Facebook, yes you would of course be protected by Facebook t&C potentially (but the situation of a group admin in a private/secret group ISN'T clear and most likely needs decided by a test case).

Super have pm'd you as your assertion is incorrect.

totally want to go nur nur nur nur told you so

Yes, of course you do. Not very nice thing to do though, no? You appear to be enjoying grandstanding and condescending to women concerned about the leak of their personal data and use by a bunch of unhinged misogynists with form for contacting employers and personal abuse so maybe take the smug sneery attitude down a touch? Just a friendly suggestion.

Gill - read R0wan's post where she has copied YesItsADebate's post. It explains everything.

Yes but the person must have been a member of the group surely to have access to the list of members...which means a member has done this?

Yes, women have had to hold meetings at secret locations in order to meet and talk to each other, and people that don't really want to attend book tickets and then leak the venues so that they can be harassed into cancelling, or blockaded to try and stop women talking.

Yes, women's groups have been infiltrated as the same applies everywhere from crocheting to campaigning. Thing is, it is deemed to be transphobic doing ANYTHING that doesn't include trans people - so gathering to show just how things that are not yet law will affect WOMEN and GIRLS is automatically seen as transphobic, because it doesn't include trans people - even though this campaign does as it includes what we might call 'GENUINE' trans people.

Of course someone joined up in order to get a list in order to post it online. They obviously pretended to be something they weren't in order to get access.

Yes, women's groups have been infiltrated as the same applies everywhere from crocheting to campaigning. Thing is, it is deemed to be transphobic doing ANYTHING that doesn't include trans people - so gathering to show just how things that are not yet law will affect WOMEN and GIRLS is automatically seen as transphobic, because it doesn't include trans people - even though this campaign does as it includes what we might call 'GENUINE' trans people.

It creates quite a paranoid atmosphere that women have to meet in secret in order to express any opinion about women's issues without being targeted or expected to modify their speech so as not to exclude biologically male trans people.

I really think all this constant going over and over is missing the point.
Sweary has explained what happened, Other posters have repeatedly quoted what she said.

The point is the list of names was copied from the Facebook group and shared on Twitter, with malicious intent. The person who did that, and the TRAs who have pounced on it with glee are the ones you should be criticising- not arguing over T&Cs.

The original FB group has gone, but the shows not over till the fat lady sings as they say.

Everyone has tightened their security, and the Show goes on.

I for one will be a Man this Friday- who else?

Oh yes, I will be a man on Friday! I'm gonna man the hell out of Friday.

I'm going to be a man on Friday, I have my T Shirt ready so hoping to helpfully explain the offside rule, criticise the referee and add my insightful commentary over any footie on TV. (I gather there's quite a bit on at the moment)

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3282452-A-temporary-cessation-of-hostilities

Recently I do feel that there has been a bit of an effort to scare women into not organising or connecting with each other online. Don't think it's going to work, though it might encourage more action in RL too which won't be a bad thing.

Ineed agreed.

I see your interest in football has grown R0wan since you were given that team coaching role for Team Sportacus .

I'm looking forward to wearing my #ManFriday I Am Sportacus tee shirt again on Friday.

Rowan, quarter finals on Friday...

Uruguay v France - 3pm
Brazil / Mexico v Belgium / Japan - 7pm

Manly pub crawl?

I have an HRT appointment on Friday - shall I identify as a man for that?

Yes I have been reading up Scarlet although it seems that one doesn't actually have to have too much knowledge when commenting as a man. Just strength of conviction.

Beyond thank you for the info. I must confess to enjoying the odd womanly pub crawl and a few pints. Shall have to see what other modifications I need to make.

Btw, I have reported my own comment upthread as, despite knowing the name of the person, I know it is not fair on mnhq to name them on their site.
So here it is, reposted minus the name :)

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Btw doxxer - assuming you are reading - can I just say that until yesterday I had no reason to dislike you. I knew you had fallen out with others but we have never personally had a disagreement.

But releasing the whole of a groups membership because some of the people in there allegedly bullied you is bloody unforgivable. Did you stop for a second to think about any women you have put at risk? Women who (assuming you weren't bullied by like, 170 women) have nothing to do with your disagreement with some of the MF members. Have you seen the TRAs taking the list apart and reporting people to their employers?

This is more than burning bridges, this is fucking napalm.

Eresh "You appear to be enjoying grandstanding and condescending to women concerned about the leak of their personal data and use by a bunch of unhinged misogynists with form for contacting employers and personal abuse so maybe take the smug sneery attitude down a touch? Just a friendly suggestion."

What a load of tosh. I tried to point out a risk in a helpful and non threatening way because someone else mentioned infiltration on a thread, and got called all sorts and repeatedly accused of corrective control for raising the possibility - please excuse me for noticing that I had a point after all!

There is nothing grandstanding or condescending, and I've taken the time to try and save the man Friday crew wasting their time with GDPR shit related to the fb group she side of things. Feel free to go back to ignoring my posts. You've got me so firmly squished into a labelled box that you read my posts with a biased eye now, so there's just no point.

Reveal, I'm so not interested in what's you have to say about fb groups and GDPR so your email is going straight in the trash.

Well I'll answer you here then.

This assertion

I'm going with Revealing being one of the data professionals making a lot of moola by convincing small organisations that they need a wagonload of paperwork in place or the ICO will ruin them.

Is incorrect.

I must learn not to post too soon.

So it wasn't actually about facebook and GDPR it was about a completely baseless assumption that you were making about me.

#ManFriday and Jane Fae on BBC1s Sunday Politics:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3293748-BBC-1-Sunday-Politics-starts-11am-ManFriday-on-TV

There's a separate thread on the Sunday Politics thing.

I didn't catch it and, from what's being said about it, I won't watch on catch-up. It's too hot today to get that cross!

No surprise you took my post that way SD. Or those of other posters who disagree with you on data protection law. You rate your own opinions quite highly I think.

But I stand by my personal belief that you don't in any way wish to assist the gender critical cause.