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Is the sun transphobic? Does the sun fat shame? Has the world gone mad?

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QuizteamBleakley · 27/06/2018 22:34

The sun - that big shiny orb in the sky is dangerous to gender non-conforming folk, apparently. Still, you should see me in ma sleeveless & backless sundress, I get called all sorts, some of it quite clever, mostly just crap. Having had a lifetime of name-calling, I just plod on and avoid wearing a bikini to the corner shop.

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UpstartCrow · 27/06/2018 22:37

My neighbour was catcalled today walking to the shops in front of me. It wasn't the sun did it though, it was a man being a self absorbed dick.

Melamin · 27/06/2018 22:38

No, you have that wrong. It is vampires that have problems with the sun. Wink

CompeteHalfAMile · 27/06/2018 22:39

That's the person who got TopShop to allow males in with teenage girls.

I will not consent to PN so could not read much past that person being called names, are they males calling the person names?

LangCleg · 27/06/2018 22:45

Oh, it's Travis! Will Alok be jealous that there was no mention of Alok? I thought they came as a pair?

LighthouseSouth · 27/06/2018 22:48

this is why we can't have nice things.

LyraLieIn · 27/06/2018 22:50

Isn't the point of the article just that society is critical of those who dress outside of stereotypes? I don't see this article as being particularly inflammatory - doesn't it talk about widening the definition of masculinity (not word for word) and shouldn't we all celebrate that?

AngryAttackKittens · 27/06/2018 22:50

Huh, I thought it was going to be about how nonbinary people suffer more because they need special gender-neutral sunscreen that a bigoted pharma industry has failed to provide for them.

MissVanjie · 27/06/2018 22:54

Agree with Lyra - i know this is one of those moments where we’re supposed to guffaw and scoff at the crazy trans person and their first world millennial problems etc but i am failing to see why a feminist board would have a problem with an article pointing out how toxic it is when men police other male bodied people for failing to perform masculinity ‘properly’

No it’s not the biggest most life threatening problem in the world but then that’s what knuckledraggers said when feminists wanted more women on banknotes

And before people pile on me accusing me of wanting men in the women’s changing at topshop and supporting agp pervs and paedos etc that’s not a logical conclusion to draw - i don’t know this person, i am responding to the linked article only

I don’t really see the problem with someone saying ‘i get catcalled more in the heat and it makes me sad’ i just really don’t

Some of these ‘omg guess what they’ve said NOW the mentalists’ threads are quite a reach really

Yeah some of them are a bit po faced and take themselves v seriously but then so do a lot of people - i remember dittany losing her shit about gandhi once and what a bastard he was in the middle of a heated thread where someone invoked him in a plea for peace love and understanding, it was fairly hilarious to watch

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QuizteamBleakley · 27/06/2018 22:56

I don't think that a boilersuit was the best choice of attire, if I'm honest. I mean, I'm not all hung up on sartorial elegance, but surely there are better ways to air your (barf) 'lady-dick.'

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QuizteamBleakley · 27/06/2018 23:02

@MissVanjie - I think my point is that this is non-news. I get that it's not fake news, but it's not news. It doesn't warrant column inches, anymore than my "Fat woman is heckled for baring her bingo wings in 30 degree heat" should. What irks for me is that E V E R Y thing that a woman has experienced is somehow belittled by the "real" oppression faced by trans people. I want to share those stories, not have mine downplayed by someone saying "yeah, but I am way more oppressed than you TERF / CIS / privileged wimminz."

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terryleather · 27/06/2018 23:04

Alok is too busy cleaning pavement detritus off his sleeves to be worried about Travis...

LangCleg · 27/06/2018 23:06

Lordy.

nellly · 27/06/2018 23:06

"It doesn't warrant column inches"

Look I'm normally all about making sure trans rights don't overtake women's rights but I'm going to have to disagree here. It's just someone pointing out how limited masculinity is and the way it's considered in society and the moment any of us starts thinking we can decide what's worthy of column inches we've gone too far.

There's lots of stuff out there that I don't think is worthy of reading but someone will Smile

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QuizteamBleakley · 27/06/2018 23:07

Oh, Christ. Why is Alok being a draught excluder? Double draught excluder for when Winter Is Coming? (This comment can't be worthy of a strike because WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!)

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AngryAttackKittens · 27/06/2018 23:08

I'm genuinely baffled by Alok's outfit above, rather than just tempted to call the fashion police as usual.

Pratchet · 27/06/2018 23:09

That article is a parody of itself.

'Today I was able to go outside without a cardigan for the first time. Baby steps!'

also multiple Travis sad face

Definitely worth breaking my pink news click boycott

Pratchet · 27/06/2018 23:10

'don't look at me it makes me sad LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME'

terryleather · 27/06/2018 23:12

QuizTeam Grin

I genuinely find that pic really disturbing, it's like something from a horror film.

I'm sure there's a bit in Nightmare On Elm Street when Freddie's arms grow long like that......

MissVanjie · 27/06/2018 23:12

Respectfully, I think you’re projecting somewhat. It’s pink news, it’s a blah ‘life experience’ chit chatty article that a lot of their readership will relate to. I didn’t see anything in it that takes away from women’s experience of street harassment or tries to position this as being somehow worse. The words terf and cis aren’t mentioned at all Confused

‘Woman experiences catcalling in 30 degree heat’ isn’t news either but i would never mock someone for sharing that experience in an appropriate way on an appropriate forum.

Threads like this snickering at trans people for their fake non problems and self absorption when they’re actually not hurting anyone in any way are what gets this place a rep for being transphobic imo and rightly so. The important message about female erasure and women’s boundaries is being lost in this ‘let’s point and laugh at the freaks hahaha’ mentality.

Dragoncake · 27/06/2018 23:19

The article presents this as a problem specific to trans people. Which it isn't. It's a problem with restrictive sex stereotypes as any woman could have told Travis

LastTrainEast · 27/06/2018 23:27

The article made me wonder who does point and laugh. Not me or anyone I know. I would notice a guy in a dress, but I'd pretend not to out of politeness.
Same with this business of them being afraid to use men's toilets. They are not in any danger from me or any men I know.

Not saying it can't happen, but maybe doubting the frequency.

MissVanjie · 27/06/2018 23:29

Does it though? It’s a short article about personal experience and it sounds like a lot of people related to the author about it. That it no way implies it doesn’t also happen to women or whatever

This is like when people get upset about things like the ‘counting dead women’ project and go ‘but men get murdered too’ or ‘men commit suicide most and are homeless tho’ and all stuff like that

People should be allowed to talk about their legitimate concerns and problems without whataboutery, whoever they are, and imo anyone challenging toxic masculinity and male domination of public spaces and entitlement to police other people’s right to be there deserves support not mockery.

LastTrainEast · 27/06/2018 23:32

The cure for people mocking is to have random clothes days. Encourage people to go out in a suit jacket and pink shorts or a skirt, and a poncho made from sheets of cardboard and a bowler hat.

Then no one would notice trans at all.

terryleather · 27/06/2018 23:32

I was a goth 30 years ago.

Nobody made me dress the way I did, or made me do my hair the way I did, or put on my make up the way I did. It was my choice.

I got shit loads of abuse for how I looked for years and years. I didn't like it much, but although I would have denied it at the time there certainly was an element of LookAtMeLookAtMeDontLookAtMe!!!! about it as suggested by a pp.

If I'm honest though I never got as upset at comments about how I looked as a goth as I did at the countless instances of catcalling and verbal abuse that I've had over the years for the crime of being born with a female body.

No one deserves to be abused in the street for their fashion choices but if you're going for Freddie Krueger's Arms as a look I think it's fair to expect some comment...if only to wonder how one opens doors/goes for a piss etc...

MissVanjie · 27/06/2018 23:34

Ah and now we have the ‘well i’ve never noticed it be a problem therefore it’s not really a problem’ response - normally trotted out by men in relation to street harassment of women

And this whole thread is pretty much pointing and laughing - from people who should frankly know better soooo doubt away, but just be aware of what you sound like while you’re at it.