NAMALT - in a nutshell

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OK - I've just seen this and I know it can be pulled apart, however

I thought that it makes a really blunt point, quite brutally

By the "not all men" logic Russian Roulette is a perfectly safe game to play. Sure one of the chambers has a bullet in it ......

But not all chambers .....

I agree.

Schrodingers Rapist.

@LastGirlOnTheLeft just excellent

It's a good analogy OP

Schroedinger's rapist is a useful concept.

Bing I remember I showed it to my DH some years ago and I could almost see the lightbulb going on over his head!

Now this is the FWR I remember from a couple of years ago - excellent OP!

See, if you stuck to putting the boot into men like this, there'd be no civil war on Mumsnet

I like it too.

I don’t disagree but the thing I find even more irritating than NAMALT is,
But Women Do It Too, BWDIT.

I like it! A lot.

Whenever anyone says NAMALT it always makes me think of Muhammad Ali's response when Michael Parkinson said not all white people...

"There are many white people who mean right and in their heart wanna do right," he said. "If 10,000 snakes were coming down that aisle now, and I had a door that I could shut, and in that 10,000, 1,000 meant right, 1,000 rattlesnakes didn’t wanna bite me, I knew they were good…

"Should I let all those rattlesnakes come down, hoping that that thousand get together and form a shield? Or should I just close the door and stay safe? Do you understand?"

Yes great analogy OP! I predict myself using it in future.

Assassinated, that actually gave me goosebumps! Brilliant analogy.

OP- love that!

I used that recently on social media and got annihilated by male family members. It was awful.

SciFi That’s terrible.

I don’t think I know any men who would lay into me for sharing something like that, but I definitely know plenty who would be narky about it. A couple of men I am very close to can be a bit NAMALT, and both are very prickly about the idea of toxic masculinity. When I talk about it, they just hear: ‘men are shit’. It’s really frustrating but I tell myself it’s just their decades of privilege. 🙄

We all have some level of privilege though. That Muhammad Ali quote will apply to the vast majority of us on this thread. No point in getting twisted about it. He saw our white skin and judged us accordingly. We just have to accept that that was his experience.

I heard that analogy many years ago with regards to men, only it was a bowl of skittles with one poison skittle in it. Then a year or so ago I heard the same analogy trotted out in defence of Trump's immigration ban, and the internet howled in rage. At root it's an argument in favour of profiling, and whether or not it's offensive seems to depend on whether you're the group being profiled.

Totally agree Jurgen. I would not attempt to contradict an account of racism given by a black person. So I’m the same way, I’d appreciate it if the men in my life didn’t get so bloody defensive when I mention patriarchy 😆

A person's reaction tells you a lot... if they bristle and get defensive, pretty clearly at some level they are mentally aligning themselves with, in Ali's terms, the 10,000 not the 1000.

Am I supposed to get offended that Ali's quote means he wouldn't automatically trust me? Because I'm not - of course he wouldn't have, what reason would he have to do so? People aren't psychic.