BBC World Service programme about Miranda Yardley and Aimee Challenor

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www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3csws6r

Just listening now. It's just under 18 minutes long.

(Apols if already linked - couldn't see a thread.)

I dread to listen. Challenor is one of the most vile, despicable human beings I have ever had the misfortune to run across. Nothing to do with the trans thing, would be equally obnoxious no matter if trans or not.

I didn't think Challenor came across very well, but that may have been because every single time I've heard Miranda talking I've been impressed, and in general I agree with MY's position on gender issues. I will say in passing that AC has a deeper voice than MY, which I found a bit disconcerting. They had a US professor on too, as a neutral arbiter, brought in as a social media expert I think, rather than a gender expert. S/he (didn't get the name) said that free speech on social media is a very vexed issue and needs to be taken more seriously. Amen to that! There seems to be so much confusion arising out of people taking offence when somebody disagrees with them, interpreting that as a personal attack when it's in fact a difference of opinion. There is a line where I feel expressing a personal opinion becomes offensive and possibly damaging to society (e.g. extreme forms of racism) but at the moment my view is that freedom of expression is being clamped down in many areas, but not in a very balanced way.

You need a thick skin to survive on social media unless all you ever post is pictures of kittens.

Not hopeful, presenter is conflating sex and gender from the start.

Wonder what inspired them to produce this.... interesting

It's not perfect, but it's more balanced than a lot of stuff the BBC has put out on this topic. I thought that was interesting.

For all its faults, I think this is progress for the BBC. It showed that there is disagreement within the 'trans community' instead of once again framing the debate as nasty T*s picking on poor oppressed tw.

AC using the argument that trans is a type of woman, like bme... nope: no fanjo v fanjo.

I think that's an interesting programme covering disagreements over whether or not transwomen are men amongst the trans community and free speech and factual speech being hate speech on Twitter. Progress.