Change My Mind Youtube Video

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Quite interesting. A man takes to a US college campus to say "There are only two genders. Change my mind" and films people giving him the other side of the argument.

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Yes, they all could see that sex and gender were different

But no conception of how regressive it is to identify as the opposite gender in order to escape gender stereotypes.

And how potentially dangerous to women and children.

I see why they can't see the bigger picture yet. They are young and want to be 'nice', and the non-binary person (who accepted being called 'she' by her supporter but not by the interviewer ) could do with the support of feminism to combat the pressure to conform.

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Og my goodness. That was meant to be bigger picture

Will ask MNHQ to edit. Sorry.

It's a massive mismatch around conception of gender - we see it as a property of society that doesn't fit neatly to individuals and they see it as a property of individuals that we'd call personality.

It also makes me think how would you actually describe gender categories other than masculine and feminine. What do non binary people have in common that's distinct? Obviously a rejection of gender categories but feminists have that too. The answer seems fairly clear to me to eradicate gender stereotypes and roles.

I thought he did well in demonstrating the pure impracticality of "my pronouns are..." on a day to day level.

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they see it as a property of individuals that we'd call personality

Yes - hence the assertion that there are 'many genders'. What they mean is 'I am an individual who does not want to be constrained by societal expectations relating to my gender'.

They just don't realise that's what they mean. We agree, yet our solutions to that are different.

My 15 year old made that very comment (in his own words!) as we watched it.

Yes - hence the assertion that there are 'many genders'. What they mean is 'I am an individual who does not want to be constrained by societal expectations relating to my gender'.

Indeed! Well done to your 15 year old son who can see what many older people can't!

Weirdly I think he actually changed my mind a bit.

I would say, sex is sex, it's biological, but gender is your presentation to the world and stereotypes/roles surrounding the sexes so they are different things. So you can change your gender but not your sex.

Steven thinks the two are exactly the same and interchangeable so gender is your sex sex is your gender.

I guess legally he's right because gender and sex are use interchangeably all the time. So in that case I'd say you can't actually change your gender.

God that Madigan was a right pita.

It does make me think though that pronouns are an issue for all of us, as language forces us to make judgements according to a binary - though how long has it taken for Ms still not to be widely accepted!

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Freudian slip there1 It's Madison

In relation to my gender though some of my presentation / behaviour is feminine, some masculine. I don't have "a gender" myself, but society wants to ascribe (assign?!) me gender roles, either I'm conforming to the role expected by my sex or I'm being too "masculine" and not conforming. That's why I don't think I have "a gender" I think it's a concept applied to me.

Madison was off the scale woke!

I think Madison was a typical struggling young woman who'd swallowed a dictionary

Yes - hence the assertion that there are 'many genders'. What they mean is 'I am an individual who does not want to be constrained by societal expectations relating to my gender'.

Exactly, we can all agree on this. But not that it leads to misgendering being a hate crime.

I found it interesting but slightly depressing because

1. The presenter was clever and a good debater but then used so called facts from the UK which I think were false...and that undermined him for me. I would liked it better if he had stuck to the truth

1. It is clear that the students at that university were very inexperienced at debating.One of the few downsides of most people trying to be polite (generally a good thing) is that some people are too quick to adopt victim status and announce themselves disrespected, in situations when an objective bystander would disagree. So the same people close down debate, rather than realise that many, as -yet undecided, viewers, want and need to be convinced by concrete examples and arguments, not emotive declarations of triggering.

I thought it was very telling that one of Madison's supporters glibly misgendered to no criticism but when Crowder did it there was an audible hiss from the crowd. Sorry, it can't work like that. You can't exempt people you like.