Repeal the GRA

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The more I read about it, the more I am convinced that the best solution is to repeal the GRA.

• Gender critical women are not happy with it
• Trans people are not happy with it
• Ordinary people with no skin in the game think it is nonsense.

It seems to me that it is a badly-thought-out piece of legislation. It has created a legal fiction that people can change sex, ludicrous from a biological point of view, and it is badly misunderstood and wilfully misinterpreted. I think we need to start again from scratch.

I completely agree with this. The law needs to strongly protect gender non-conforming people against discrimination. I would make gender non-conformity a protected characteristic. It doesn't need to pretend that people can change sex.

It also needs some definitions of sex and gender. Also needs to specifically point out that gender identity is entirely subjective and not possible to protect.

The nonsense is exposed when we look at why we classify by sex.
We classify by sex because of the physiological differences between males and female and the impacts these differences make.
It makes no sense to include anyone in the wrong category because that defeats the object of the classification.
By including males in the female sex category (and vice versa) the classification no longer is a sex based one.
The GRC changed what was a sex based classification to sex and gender dysphoria. Self ID would completely eradicate the classification by sex and replace it with an identity based classification. Regardless of how many people chose to get a GRC, their entitlement to do so would mean that sex would = identity.
Of course we will always be able to classify people by sex, we just might not be allowed to speak on it or act on it, which is the crazy part.

" It has created a legal fiction that people can change sex, ludicrous from a biological point of view, and it is badly misunderstood and wilfully misinterpreted."

No. For years and years people were able to correct the sex shown on their birth certificate. It was an informal arrangement. That changed in the 70s and a new, formal mechanism was needed. That was created by the Gender Recognition Act.

DO you know Snappity You make these things up so often that I know assume that any 'fact' you type is false... so tell me.. how did that actually happen?

I agree that it should be scrapped.

Instead, gender non-conformists could be given protection to present/dress however they like without being discriminated against, but without telling the lie that humans can change sex.

Does this not mean that article 8 gives anyone the right to have their (new) "sexual identity" recognized in law?

I don’t get this. How does a ‘right to respect for private and family life’ lead to anyone having their ‘sexual identity’ recognized in law?

Cos I wants it [stamps feet, crosses arms, pouts] !

Hi CuriousaboutSamphire what snappity said is true it was only April. Ashley case in the 70s that altered this fact and the creation of the GRC was from the court cases that followed that challenged that decision the GRC is infact a culmination of outcomes from various high Court and European Court ruling that had overturned aspects of this original ruling.

Birth certificates were changed for over half a century before the GRA. The earliest I know is Michael Dillon, changed from F to M in 1944. Michael (née Laura) was the world's first transexual TIF and the UK's first transexual.

Which means that the Gender Recognition Act cannot be repealed, nor can it be diluted.

"The earliest I know is Michael Dillon, changed from F to M in 1944."

Interesting. The didn't know there was any visibility on changes during the informal regime

Oh, it can. Nobody would have campaigned for it, if transactivists hadn't decided it wasn't enough. But a movement of trans extremists declared war on female spaces. So now we want them ALL back. Any law can be repealed. Any law can be amended.

"Oh, it can. Nobody would have campaigned for it, if transactivists hadn't decided it wasn't enough. But a movement of trans extremists declared war on female spaces. So now we want them ALL back. Any law can be repealed. Any law can be amended."

The UK would have to pull out of the European Convention on Human Resources Rights and probably several UN treaties

Resources typo

Well no snappity because there is no specification that rights must be enacted via the GRA. It’s protection regarding the rights that is inportant not that they must be enacted in a specific form (the GRA).

Given the GRA was enacted specifically in relation to the right to marriage and family life and this is no longer an issue, even if the the GRA were repealed and nothing replaced it, there is not necessarily a conflict with ECHR.

I don’t think anyone was proposing GRA be repealed and nothing replace it though were they?

I would replace it with a gender nonconformity anti discrimination law that allowed gender to be recorded anywhere and everywhere provided biological sex is recorded at the same time.

It would be called the GNAD.

I actually would have that law, the name is just a bit coincidental and unfortunate.

Pratchet that allowed gender to be recorded anywhere and everywhere

The ideal solution is on all official documents to have a blank box marked "gender" and you can fill it with stickers denoting your gender(s), changing whenever you like. So the nonbinaries can affix a nonbinary sticker, a male (sex) person could affix a feminine sticker etc, Pips Bunce could affix half a masculine & half a feminine, etc. Radical feminists could leave blank.

This box would have no legal standing but would reassure people that their identity is valid.

Stickers are a good idea, rainbow, glitter etc. That's a really good idea.

I don't think the law should recognise gender at all, anywhere. It is a subjective, non-verifiable feeling, the definitions of which are far from clear.

It could recognise three sexes: male, female and intersex.

The rest is subject to change.

Bespin I am aware of that, I helped friend through his transition, FtM, way back in the 80s. My point was that Snappity regulalry makes such broad statements and they are often only loosely founded in reality.

I just wanted Snappity to provide some real facts to support the rather odd statement That changed in the 70s and a new, formal mechanism was needed. That was created by the Gender Recognition Act - given the decades between the two sentences!

"Given the GRA was enacted specifically in relation to the right to marriage and family life and this is no longer an issue, even if the the GRA were repealed and nothing replaced it, there is not necessarily a conflict with ECHR."

Actually it was enacted to allow birth certificates to be changed and the change kept private. Caroline Cossey brought and lost a challenge in relation to marriage so change in the law relating to marriage is irrelevant